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Post by BOBinIN on Jan 3, 2013 9:30:55 GMT -5
With the proposed "side-hammer" muzzleloader season for 2013 in my mind.... it got me thinking about Blackhorn 209 powder as an option. BH209 is supposed to be much less dirty and easier to clean than the other options. The problem is that it takes a hot 209 shotgun primer to ignite the stuff, but my gun is a side-hammer that fires #11 caps. The # 11's have never failed to ignite Pyrodex...so, what about a 10 or 15 grain primer charge of Pyrodex down the tube first, and the balance of the powder charge to be BH209? A guy on Doug's board does it with a flintlock rifle...using 4f black in the pan and BH209 down the bore and it works for him. Anybody tried this??? Your thoughts...BOB
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Post by hornharvester on Jan 3, 2013 11:30:54 GMT -5
I would think 5 grains would be enough to light it. You can always change nipples and shoot musket cap. h.h.
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Post by throbak on Jan 3, 2013 12:08:19 GMT -5
Just my thoughts, not wanting to start anything, and dont really like the Idea of the late season but the idea behind it is primative to me that is BLACK POWDER,LEAD BULLETS , and CAP IGNITION, NO MODERN SCOPES
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Post by BOBinIN on Jan 3, 2013 14:18:47 GMT -5
Throbak,
I appreciate your opinion and when the rules are written and specifically exclude "black powder equivalents" I can go that way too. In the meantime I have a rifle and an idea to pursue. My question is not what powders might be considered "illegal or unethical"...I was interested to see if others with more experience think the "duplex" powder concept will work to ignite the BH209 charge. No harm, no foul. All the best, BOB
P.S. Do you think it will work?
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Post by cedarthicket on Jan 3, 2013 18:09:30 GMT -5
Bob, if black powder works well in a flintlock pan it should work as well (or better) in a percussion rifle, regardless of the type of percussion cap or primer used. As HH inferred, a musket cap may be a little "hotter" than a #11 cap. Also, my experience with Pyrodex charges in a muzzle loader is that I would sometimes get a very slight hang-fire. Not enough for some to realize, but enough for me to sense it. Something like a very fast flintlock ignition. Consequently, I have used real black powder almost exclusively for many years. But I will admit that the 209 shotgun primers seem to work well with "substitute" black powders in rifles with in-line ignition systems.
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Post by stevein on Jan 3, 2013 20:18:36 GMT -5
You may have to alter the cup on your hammer to accept the larger diameter musket caps. The good news is you have over a year to try it out. It just seems like a PITA to duplex load. I know this method was recommended for guys wanting to use subs in flintlocks only Black Powder was used. Give it a try and report back. Remember they have to hype their product i.e. NEW, IMPROVED, BETTER etc to sell it.
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Post by throbak on Jan 4, 2013 8:00:07 GMT -5
BoB on wet days in the field using pyrodex the next day, I have on numerous times used triple f in the nipple then back on with the cap always worked for me
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Post by BOBinIN on Jan 12, 2013 17:07:00 GMT -5
Gentlemen,
I can report that BH209 can indeed be ignited with as little as 5 grains of Pyrodex RS powder down the tube first. The shots taken were with a tight fitting patched round ball. I need to test with 200 grain conicals to see if they fit tight enough for ignition pressure...But it's good to know that we have a way to utilize the cleaner burning BH209 powder in our side-hammer guns. BOB
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