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Post by bowhunterjohn on Dec 2, 2012 13:03:09 GMT -5
I dont' agree with longer seasons also, we have a LONG time to hunt as it is now
Also are we going to have a traditional only bow season ? seems we are getting divided into groups, which I do not like seeing, divide and conquer.
I have no problems with this but I hope this doesn't become a catalyst to divide us and make us turn on each other.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 13:05:24 GMT -5
Well, I like a long season, so your in a different group than me. More is better than less.
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Post by cedarthicket on Dec 2, 2012 13:41:39 GMT -5
Just when I think things are getting clearer they seem to be cloudier. Maybe I missed these things. If the September 15 archery season is implemented when would we have the youth season? . Anyone have an answer to this? The following is from page 14 of details of all PROPOSED changes: www.in.gov/nrc/files/item_11_nrc_november_2012.pdf312 IAC 9-3-4 Season dates and bag limits Authority: IC 14-10-2-4; IC 14-22-2-6 Affected: IC 14-22 Sec. 4. (a) An individual must not take more than one (1) deer with each deer license. (b) The special youth deer season is two (2) consecutive days beginning on the Saturday immediately before October 1 or as approved annually by the director. So, if I read it correctly, the Youth Season could remain as it currently is in late September, OR the DNR Director could approve it for any other time on an annual basis. It could overlap with the Proposed Non-Crossbow early start to Archery Season in September or it could be approved for any other time period.
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Post by scottrader on Dec 2, 2012 17:43:38 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that. It will be interesting to see what happens with this. I'm sure the parties involved will have an agenda.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 2, 2012 22:30:05 GMT -5
Well, I like a long season, so your in a different group than me. More is better than less. More is not always better, hunters need to be restricted. Hince, the OBR. What happened to deer season? Archery & gun season. No need just greed by hunters, and money hungry DNR. If hunters feel the need to be in the woods, hunt some small game. It's about the only seasons not changed by greed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 5:23:03 GMT -5
Jason its about choice. You dont want more deer hunting, by all means go hunt tree rats or take up golf or whatever floats your boat. Some people deer hunt 365 24/7 a year and want more of it. Nobody says you have to go. Why do u put in for park hunts if you dont like more hunting? Besides, Sept. hunting opens up a while new ball game for some people, its totally different than rut hunting or wyat you have now. No bug deal if youd rather just stay home or do something else.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Dec 3, 2012 7:43:23 GMT -5
Well, I like a long season, so your in a different group than me. More is better than less. I like a long season also and I think we have that now. Why not extend the season ? I urban hunt and most years I don't really hunt a lot early because of the skeeters and bugs and heat. I guess I just don't see why we have to hash over and over about seasons when we have a working system now, why not take this time on other issues.
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Post by mrfixit on Dec 3, 2012 9:14:41 GMT -5
Just what we needed, yet another "season" and soon there will be another "season" for "traditional" bow hunters. WTF?
Why not open deer season up from Oct 1 until Jan 2 and let people hunt with whatever they want to hunt with. You want to hunt with your bow today? Great, take your bow. You want to break the old fashioned muzzleloader out this weekend? Great break it out! Maybe in a couple weeks you might want to take the traditional bow out for the weekend, or maybe you feel like hunting with a shotgun. All this freakin' micro-managing is ridiculous, especially since we are trying to "reduce" the herd. We are already limited on the amount of deer we can kill by tags and freezer space, let people use what tool they want.
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Post by swilk on Dec 3, 2012 9:23:51 GMT -5
Why even specify what "tools" we can and cannot use?
Why not just have "deer season" and leave it at that? If a guy wants to go out and make a large dead-fall trap to kill his deer why do we care?
Its all about choice. As long as it isnt hurting other hunters we should be able to use whatever we want to kill a deer.
(we really need a specific color to be used when the intended sarcasm may not be obvious to all)
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Post by daneowner on Dec 3, 2012 9:49:24 GMT -5
Hunting seasons, timing of the seasons, bag limits are suppose to be set for protecting our game animals, not for those that want to hunt 24/7 365. We have more then 3 months to deer hunt now. One of the reasons we are blessed with the deer herd we have today is because they weren't over hunted in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 10:24:02 GMT -5
No doubt that seasons and tools allowed during those season are important and at one time needed to regulate the harvest to a certain level to maintain quality, hunter satisfaction and the non-hunting public protection.
There is no reason that season can't be tweek and altered as have always been done so that the DNR can control the harvest. With hunter satisfaction being a very important part of financing this whole thing, some guys want certain tweeks. Obviously, some don't. When a season is expanded in most anyway, those that don't want to play along simply don't have to. Just say no. When seasons or bags are cut back or altered for less, then a certain segment of the hunting population have less satisfaction.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 3, 2012 12:59:27 GMT -5
Some areas of the state may benefit from expanding the season, but not the entire state.
As far as the primitive crap goes, I can already use my TC Hawken anytime during gun season. Why would I need additional time in the woods with others useing the same equipment for? It's not gonna improve my hunting for even a second. Couldn't imagine how anyone could benefit from it.
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Post by ms660 on Dec 3, 2012 13:20:17 GMT -5
I enjoy being in the woods as much as I'm allowed hunting deer. I'm for additional days added, but not at the cost to the point the herd is suffering. The simple soulution to this is we have to cut way back on the amount of does that are being killed. Our state has never had an over populated deer herd except for some state parks that never allowed hunting. This problem has been taken care of. I see no reason why the harvest limits could not be cut back to the limit of one buck and two does regardless of weapon and season per hunter.
I usually never have a problem stretching my one buck tag, or most of my antlerless tags I can fill until the very last day of the late archery season by choice. As I have gotten older killing is not near as important as the hunt itself. I have never tagged out on the number does that I'm allowed EVER even though I have a life time hunting license. If I give it 100% trying to fill my buck tag to my expectations to the very last day of the season and fail doing it , I'm still a happy hunter. I do have to admit that by me having a lifetime license and that I will hunt the rest of my life in Indiana at no cost helps in this matter just a little bit.
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Post by Boilermaker on Dec 3, 2012 13:23:12 GMT -5
Could you imagine being a CO and trying to enforce all the game laws? No way!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 13:38:28 GMT -5
The reason that doe limits are set high is to let those who need to manage certain areas the flexibility to do so. Some areas do have too many deer and they need ways to reduce that number, be it extra days, more weapon choices or even dep. permits. For some a anterless limit of two is too much for others not enough. Heck, I know one guy that normally kills close to double digits and it's not enough. He'll put in for every special hunt that comes along, and still want more. Funny that he's also against expanded hunting for other guys, but it's fine for himself?
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Post by mrfixit on Dec 3, 2012 13:51:52 GMT -5
Could you imagine being a CO and trying to enforce all the game laws? No way! No kidding! That's another reason why I'm all for simplifying everything, including the "seasons" and what's legal to hunt with and what's not. It's ridiculous to say the least. On a positive note, the DNR did simplify the licensing structure this year with the addition of the sportsmans bundle or whatever it is they call it. Some areas of the state may benefit from expanding the season, but not the entire state. As far as the primitive crap goes, I can already use my TC Hawken anytime during gun season. Why would I need additional time in the woods with others useing the same equipment for? It's not gonna improve my hunting for even a second. Couldn't imagine how anyone could benefit from it. Plus if you choose you can use it during the shotgun portion of "firearms season" if you wish. Heck I'd be happy if they just cut it all down to about two or three"seasons". September 15-Sept 30 could be "traditional bow and youth season" then bring in "any legal weapon for persons with applicable tags" season from Oct 1 - Jan 2. And then if we absolutely had to have a "cap and baller season" run it from Jan 1 -Jan 15th. If the deer herd is hurting cut everyone back to only 1 buck/2 does statewide and be done with it. Simple, and if you awoke and didn't feel so well one particular Saturday or you had family plans you could blow off going hunting and not really lose any hunting time. There would always be time to make it up later. You would no longer feel like you had to save vacation time to use for deer hunting. You could actually use your vacation time with your family. This rush rush rush screw the family i gotta hunt through firearms season gets old after about 30 years of it.
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 3, 2012 14:24:17 GMT -5
Earliest I've found a shed is Thanksgiving weekend and have found several in December over the year's. Not sure on the youth season question. Longer season's won't effect the majority of people as few hunter's will hunt that much in SEPT. (IMO) just as most don't venture out after firearm season is over.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Dec 3, 2012 14:32:09 GMT -5
I cannot see why we cannot leave our seasons alone ? Already lots of guys and gals saying they are seeing less and less deer, could be the increase of antlerless tags. If you want a longer season then extend it, better hunting in the cold anyway. I love being in the woods also, after season I'll just sit with my camera, no need for a gun or bow, that seasons open all year
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Post by cedarthicket on Dec 3, 2012 16:18:52 GMT -5
We have a long-standing tradition of killing large game animals and domestic livestock is late fall. That is when the weather turns cool to cold, when the young of the game species are able to survive on their own, and when the young are big enough to supply more than a few ounces of meat if they are killed. I will add my voice to those who say that we already have enough statewide deer seasons to accommodate all legal “tools/weapons” without engaging in “class warfare” and trying to carve out an exclusive time for “my weapon only.” Furthermore, we have enough time to get the job done of managing the statewide deer herd within the time frame of October 1 to December 31. That is 3 months per year. That is one fourth of the year that deer are subject to being hunted and killed. That is plenty of time to get the job done and give the deer a “break” the other 9 months of the year. (Perhaps we should also consider a “break” for ourselves, our families, and others as well.)
If we need to do special management (deer reduction) in selected Urban Zones that can be started on September 15, as it is now. Also, the special Youth Season weekend in late September seems to have worked out pretty well to help recruit young hunters. The only other reason I could see for September deer hunting would be for special depredation permits in specific areas where deer are a serious problem that cannot be satisfactorily addressed by the statewide season structure, which includes the bonus antlerless permits by county. To use any part of September for any statewide deer season except the Youth Season is really tying the hands of DNR. Because, once established, a proposed sharing of statewide archery season in September would meet with a tremendous resistance from bow hunters who would not want to share “their” season with anyone else who uses a different tool -- regardless of whether that sharing would be good for overall deer management in Indiana.
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Post by subzero350 on Dec 3, 2012 16:20:36 GMT -5
I went bow hunting ONE time this year. The weather was simply too warm early in the deer season and I couldn't just give up on fishing. One of the biggest bass I've ever hooked I caught on Halloween last year.
The other problem is that on the properties I hunt, deer don't move thru them on warm days. The weather needs to be cold (and the crappier the better) for me to see signs of life in the field.
But having said that, I will say the new bundle license and the added late antlerless season this year has taken pressure off of me to be in a hurry to get out and hunt. I run my own business so it is difficult for me to justify taking selected days off in a certain point in the year to hunt. The added available deer hunting seasons have made it possible for me to feel like I'm under less pressure to "get out and hunt" because I have more available time to hunt this year. Now I just need the weather to cooperate...
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