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Post by rocker4x4 on Nov 7, 2012 6:41:41 GMT -5
As some of you may know from reading my other post i bought a new T/C triumph. Well i got the scope on, and ready to do some shooting to get it dialed in. with my old knight, i alway use 777 pellets and 250 grain Hornady SST. Before i go buy more sabots, What are the pro's and cons of going to 300 grain?? I have a freind that shoots them and loves them, i'm just not too sure about the heavier sabots being as flat shooting? any info would be great! Thanks
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Post by omegahunter on Nov 7, 2012 7:43:40 GMT -5
Real-world there is not that much difference in trajectory. I have shot both in an Omega and can tell very little difference in accuracy. Most people that I know that are set up to shoot long distance with a muzzleloader are using the 300 grain bullet. I opt for the 300 grainers just because I want as much penetration as I can get in case I don't have an optimum shot angle. Only shot I won't take is up the tailpipe.
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Post by HuntMeister on Nov 7, 2012 7:54:20 GMT -5
I would try them out and see which one your ML likes better. IMHO, the 300 will be slightly better in the penetration dept and 250 will be slightly better in the trajectory dept.
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Post by hornharvester on Nov 7, 2012 9:48:01 GMT -5
FYI, T/C uses a 250 grain Shockwave to test with. For whitetail deer a 250 grain bullet will get the job done. The 300 grain is for bigger animals with heavier dense muscle tissue like elk, bear, moose. Either one will work. h.h.
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Post by rocker4x4 on Nov 7, 2012 22:25:13 GMT -5
Thats kinda what i was thinking. i have a pack or so of 250's , i did buy 5 packs of 300's dirt cheap at a gun show, so kinda want to use them if i can. What about the amount of powder, with the 250's i alway used 100 grain of 777. Should i go to 150 grains? or is that over kill?
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Post by omegahunter on Nov 8, 2012 7:21:50 GMT -5
Overkill ... is there really such a thing? There is such a thing as excessive meat damage, but unlikely you will really see that with a muzzleloader unless it is a smokeless. Then you might be seeing some excessive meat damage. Try 3 pellets if you want and compare the accuracy to 2 pellets.
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Post by swilk on Nov 8, 2012 9:06:21 GMT -5
Does 777 recommend charge weights up to 150gr? Last I used the stuff .... which was years ago ... they didnt go any higher than 120 grains.
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Post by omegahunter on Nov 8, 2012 10:33:24 GMT -5
He is using pellets. They are 50 grain equivalent to BP, not 50 grains each of 777. Unless he is using the magnum 777 pellets!
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Post by steve46511 on Nov 29, 2012 9:45:18 GMT -5
GO GOEX! (Sorry.........LONG time Black Powder fan!)
If shooting inline....it would be Blackhorn.....nothing else. I shot this in a buddy's rifle......hot dang!
But for my Renegade, there is nothing like the smell of FFg going off in the morning!
*grin*
Bullet wise, I go heavy. Always. Cheap insurance IMHO>
Good Luck to ALL!
God Bless
Steve
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Post by ms660 on Nov 29, 2012 11:08:08 GMT -5
I agree on the Blackhorn powder for inlines. Expensive, but well worth it.
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Post by single_shooter on Nov 30, 2012 20:55:22 GMT -5
250 vs. 300 = nominal differences at ML velocities
It all depends on the barrel length and rate of twist of your barrel as to which will be most accurate and have the better downrange performance
Sounds like a real good reason to hit the range for some experimentation to get that "sweet spot" load that will be best in your rifle
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 2, 2012 11:35:33 GMT -5
250gr is plenty for whitetail deer..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 14:16:02 GMT -5
Deer do come in different sizes. The range can be from 30 lbs. field dressed to over 300 lbs. field dressed. In most cases, 250 is plenty. But a little extra on the big deer never hurts and two holes really help vs. one.
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Post by single_shooter on Dec 4, 2012 7:32:45 GMT -5
I have shot deer from every distance possible with my muzzleloaders...from leaving powder burns on the fur to 215 yards out and I have been using 240 grainers from day one.
Started with the Hornady XTP's simply due to the economics of it (I had about 2,000 of them at home for reloading so all I had to do was buy sabots) and am now hooked on the PR Bullets. I stuck with the 240 grain bullets because that's what worked best in my rifles.
Never had to track a deer yet after being hit with these bullets (except for once when it was my fault) so I figure the same is true now that it was when I learned to hunt...
It don't matter what bullet or what caliber you are shooting as long as you hit the animal where you are supposed to. I have killed car hit deer with head shots from 22LR and 17HMR from up to 50 yards away to end their suffering so I know a 22 will dispatch a deer just as quickly and easily as it will a squirrel.
If I remember correctly the world record typical whitetail that held for many decades was from the 1950's in Wisconsin and was killed with a Winchester 22 pump rifle. (But don't quote me on that...lol)
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Post by irishhunter on Dec 4, 2012 15:16:49 GMT -5
My encore patterns 300 grain shockwave with the black jacket much better than 250 grains. Yellow jacket is not as accurate either. Don't know why but target doesn't lie
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