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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 7:58:05 GMT -5
More permits sold do not equate to more hunters. The increase could well be bonus permits ML permits or archery. Lots of reasons a harvest can be down slightly overall. Explain how it can increase in certain areas would be a better debate. Read Chads comments for a clue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 11:56:14 GMT -5
Deer Vehicle Collisions have been down in Indiana, and several dozen other states for the past 3 years in a Row.
And in a POLL I posted on here, over 50% of you say you are seeing LESS Deer now, and during the past few years.
All of this information, leads me too think there are simply LESS Deer in many areas.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 12:00:31 GMT -5
It's very warm every year in the Southern States.
States like Alabama produced well over 250,000 Deer per year, so do most southern states, heck it's in the 50's and 60's for highs down there through most of the Deer season.
Same thing in South Texas.
BTW, I have seen Bucks Rut, and chase does in 70 degree weather, during early November a few years ago in Bow Season.
I think, there are Simply Less Deer in some areas.
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Post by lugnutz on Mar 13, 2012 20:33:37 GMT -5
Whomever says deer go nocturnal when the temps rise during the rut is folklore. Nothing more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 20:37:03 GMT -5
You sure about that? LOL
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 13, 2012 20:44:26 GMT -5
LOL is right.. Nothing like chasing a woman in 75 to 80+ degrees while wearing a winter coat.
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Post by lugnutz on Mar 13, 2012 20:45:38 GMT -5
More permits sold do not equate to more hunters. The increase could well be bonus permits ML permits or archery. Lots of reasons a harvest can be down slightly overall. Explain how it can increase in certain areas would be a better debate. Read Chads comments for a clue. To me, Chad contradicts himself during this, in one breathe we've just had the fourth best harvest in our history. Next breathe, he wan'ts to blame the bad weather for the decline in harvest. Also blames bad weather to less hunter participation, then mentions an increase in tag sales. To me it sounds like Chad is trying to be more of a salesman than just saying how it is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 20:46:06 GMT -5
Especially when the gal doesn't want to be chased (because it's too dang hot).
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Post by lugnutz on Mar 13, 2012 20:48:07 GMT -5
LOL is right.. Nothing like chasing a woman in 75 to 80+ degrees while wearing a winter coat. Not that you two OLD men would remember, but their was probably a time when you woulda chased a woman in heat through hell and back regardless of the conditions....
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 13, 2012 20:51:00 GMT -5
Especially when the gal doesn't want to be chased (because it's too dang hot). Yep...she says "I ain't moving till after dark when it cools way down". End Of Story..
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 13, 2012 20:51:50 GMT -5
LOL is right.. Nothing like chasing a woman in 75 to 80+ degrees while wearing a winter coat. Not that you two OLD men would remember, but their was probably a time when you woulda chased a woman in heat through hell and back regardless of the conditions.... I've never been that desperate....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 20:54:57 GMT -5
True, that's one reason 1.5 yr. old bucks get killed so often. As you already know. Lol again
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Post by lugnutz on Mar 13, 2012 21:08:40 GMT -5
True, that's one reason 1.5 yr. old bucks get killed so often. As you already know. Lol again Yeah i've seen more than i wanted leaving your woods this year in the back of a truck. Must be more of that modern deer management your always talking about!
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Post by billybobteeth on Mar 13, 2012 21:10:06 GMT -5
So we fell to the same level as the 2008 season and that was with the selling of 10,000 more tags a all time high in lic. sales so it was a farther fall than it appears guys once you figure in man hours and people in the feild. How many "man hours and people in the field" were there? 10,000 more tags sold does not mean 10,000 more hunters.. He said in his words we were not droping in hunter numbers did he not /? yes!! hed id he said indiana was not suffering from declining hunter numbers like most other states are, in this very report basicly saying our hunter numbers are growing in IN. . 10000 more hunters is debatabl only the DNR knows that number but it is the same as it meqans 10000 more chances at any hunter more or the same to take deer that were not taken or even helped to make a rub in harvest numbers this trend of droping deer numbers Chad even eludes to areas sufering from low deer numbers this is not over we will talk about this again next march when the numbers decline another 2-5 thousand below this years .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2012 21:44:47 GMT -5
Billybob, no where in the press release does it say there were MORE hunters....no where. It says permit sales were up, which could be more hunters, or the same number buying more permits. Nothing in there indicates that hunter numbers are rising. Hopefully, they are. But it's not shown there in this release. Notice that a large jump in military/refuge lic. and ML lic. accounted for the bulk of the increases, and youths.
Read the release. Lot's of counties increased, a few were lower. 4th overall highest harvest with 21 days over normal temps. Only 5,000 lower than the record. Chad explains it very well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 8:08:21 GMT -5
Chad has probably never stepped foot on 99.99999 Percent of land in Indiana.
Keep this in mind, lol
I think many hunters in IN are NOT happy with how things are. Many people complain about LOW Deer numbers.
The DNR should understand that they actually have no clue about millions of acres of IN, beause they have never stepped foot on it, and they should start listening to the hunters more, imo.
When thousands of hunters in all of areas of IN are saying they are seeing less Deer, the IDNR should listen.
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Post by windingwinds on Mar 14, 2012 9:08:23 GMT -5
Did they release number of Miami County deer? From local reports by the neighbors I would estimate the harvest to be about even with 2010 numbers, even though our personal sightings and harvest numbers were down from 2010. I can tell you in our little corner of the county there were more hunters in the woods. And looks to be at least that many again in 2012.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 14, 2012 9:13:23 GMT -5
Did they release number of Miami County deer? From local reports by the neighbors I would estimate the harvest to be about even with 2010 numbers, even though our personal sightings and harvest numbers were down from 2010. I can tell you in our little corner of the county there were more hunters in the woods. And looks to be at least that many again in 2012. They have not posted the 2011-2012 Deer Report yet. Just waiting on putting it on the net..
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Post by parkerbow on Mar 14, 2012 20:42:44 GMT -5
No, 10,000 more tags sold does not mean 10,000 more hunters. But it does mean there were 10,000 more opportunities to harvest a deer that were not harvested. Either way you look at it there were more tags sold and less deer harvested. I truly believe in many areas the deer numbers are low and then there are pockets of abundant deer. I know for sure since 2007 I have not seen 25% of the deer I used to see. Some gut posted that they had like over 60 some shot opportunities in bow season. Well I can tell you I bowhunted over 300 hrs this past season and did not have but 3 shot opportunities on small bucks that I elected to pass on. So I did not even fling an arrow in those 300 hrs. i did not have any shot opportunities at any non antlered deer. So how can the population be healthy at healthy numbers and I hunted over 300hrs without harvesting a deer. These hours were also logged over a broad area of the county and not just in one area. The deer simply are not there. Kudos to those who see deer every time out.
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Post by span870 on Mar 15, 2012 3:10:10 GMT -5
As far as guys saying the deer are not there. Are you sure? I was that guy all year on the farm I hunt. Hunted all bow season hard. I killed my buck on the last week on the early archery season. Total sightings of doe during that time. One. Hunted fairly hard durring gun season. Total sightings of doe. Zero. Last day of gun season we are leaving the farm to come home and as i'm driving past our bottom field it is full of does. Lost count at 53. They were all filtering out of a boardering state property that gets very limited pressure. There were just three deer taken off the farm I hunt on this year. Very little pressure got put on these deer. After sitting down and thinking about it we attributed it to the landowner letting his underfed dogs run the property. Figure these dogs were chasing the heck out of these deer trying to get something to eat. Not saying its like that everywhere but don't be so sure that the deer still aren't there. By the way I am a firm believer that we still are killing to many does and am anti obr. Just wanted to give some food for thought.
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