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Post by gwinnman on Dec 1, 2011 8:38:27 GMT -5
Just purchased a used CVA Hunter Bolt 50 cal. mag. I can't get breech out. I haven't put alot of torque on it but thought I would ask for tips to loosing it up before I break something. Anybody shoot one of these? The guy I bought it off of shot Power Belt bullets and 209 primer. He shoots loose powder and I'm more of a pellet guy. I'm going to shoot 100 grain powder and probably 250 grain bullets. Bullets not sure?  Any advice would be appreciated. I know every gun shoots different but if I can get it pretty close I'll be happy for this year. I haven't had muzzle loader in several years. I sold my old knight disc muzzle loader because I was only going to bow hunt. Times have changed. Rough season and I'm wanting to get some deer in the freezer so I thought I would extend my range to help the odds. |
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Post by tobias on Dec 1, 2011 9:08:23 GMT -5
wrap it in a towel and put it in a good vise. When you put it back in put some breech plug grease on it and just finger tighten. I've went through this a hundred times. The powder builds up around the threads and makes them tough to get out if you use a "tool" to tighten them. Loose Pyrodex is a lot worse than say 777 or some of the more modern powders. Make SURE it's screwed in all the way, but finger tight should solve all your problems. You can put all the grease on them you want, but if you torgue them down much at all they will be a pain to get out if you shoot them several times. Just my .02
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Post by gwinnman on Dec 1, 2011 9:41:27 GMT -5
Thanks. I did just that put it in vice and put some torque on it and it came loose.
I would like any opionions on Power Belt bullets, primers and powder. I know for this season I'm going to stick with pellets.
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 1, 2011 10:05:47 GMT -5
Ive had very poor results with powerbelts.
Great results from shockwaves pushed by 2 50gr pyrodex pellets
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Post by 45smokepole on Dec 1, 2011 10:06:32 GMT -5
I hate the mess of grease, i use pink teflon tape. but as stated you must tighten to the shelf but do not torque it, at all. You are braver than I, I would never buy a muzzleloader from a guy without checking the barrel first. to make sure there is no rust or pitting. Some guys just dont have a clue about the work it takes to keep a muzzleloader in good working order. BP and subs are sooooo corrosive, you have to make sure you clean it very well after each use. most are too lazy to do it.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Dec 1, 2011 10:33:53 GMT -5
Powerbelt are terrible, I use the shockwaves or Hornady SST's.
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Post by dadfsr on Dec 1, 2011 10:39:56 GMT -5
Ive had very poor results with powerbelts. Great results from shockwaves pushed by 2 50gr pyrodex pellets Here we go again with the PB vs others.....every make/model of muzzleloader is different with different bore diameters. Some will shoot PB's with excellet results (like my Knight DISC or Traditions) but there are others that will shoot something else with much better results. Try several different loads and ammo in your gun to check for best accuracy. Also best accuracy doesn't always equate to DRT's for deer-having something with knockdown and pass through results will also have to be taken into consideration...those results are only going be available with a real target and not on paper. Did the previous owner shoot deer with the PB's??? What were his/her results?? Nothing like the real deal to help make a decision! |
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Post by gwinnman on Dec 1, 2011 11:05:29 GMT -5
I bought the gun off a guy I work with and he is into guns and always keeps his guns spotless. You are right I would never buy a gun without checking barrel. I bought the gun for $50. I think it could be bought new for $190 so I figured it was a good deal. He didn't even put 20 rounds thru it. No, he hasn't shot a deer with it.
I guess I should of asked for anybody shooting power belts how it performed on deer? This is a last second purchase obviously. The guy said its accuracy was great at 100 yards with belted bullets. My bad on asking the question wrong.
He was using the Copper Series Hollow Point. So I guess my question would be of the Power Belts which bullet has the best performance on a deer?
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Post by 45smokepole on Dec 1, 2011 12:18:53 GMT -5
There are a lot of people that say PB's are a terrible bullet with sorry penetration and they will not hold together. Bad blood trails as well. When I say a lot, I mean 90-95% of the muzzleloading world. Personally when I got into inlines, there was so much negatove things said about them, I never gave them a chance. I use SST's for the most part, eith great results.
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Post by jordanffemt on Dec 2, 2011 23:20:13 GMT -5
i have a CVA accura. I use TC shock wave 250 grain with 100 grain triple 7 pellets an triple 7 primmers. I like this myself, but every gun does shoot different. Ive never had a misfire or a deer go more than 50 yards. KNOCK ON WOOD.
Good Luck
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Dec 3, 2011 10:45:15 GMT -5
I used the aero tipped powerbelts in my old Knight muzzie. They worked great. They were very accurate and the three deer I killed with them all dropped where they were standing.
When skinning the deer out I found the bullets had perfectly mushroomed and performed great. I don't use them know only because Barnes bullets shoot better out of my new CVA Optima.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 3, 2011 11:51:47 GMT -5
Pour very HOT water over barrel where breach plug is, then try to loosen it.
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 5, 2011 12:09:22 GMT -5
I am one of the MANY that have had poor results on whitetails with PBs. Lost two deer to them, one a big buck shot TWICE from 50 yds or less. The other a doe from about 20 yds. did find a couple spots of blood from her then nothing.
shockwaves have put two down in two years. both dead in sight.
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Post by oneshot on Dec 5, 2011 16:39:14 GMT -5
Power belts would not group worth a durn in my Omega, so I ditched them.
As someone said, wrap a towel around it, put it in a vice and use a socket and a breaker bar.
That should do it.
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Post by cvawolf on Nov 13, 2012 10:56:50 GMT -5
save the powerbelts for the coyotes hunt deer with the t/c shockwaves 250gr massive wound channels and good blood trail if the deer doesnt drop where it stood.. i have a cva wolf 209 magnum using winchester 209 primers and 100gr 777 pellets. xtp hp is a good saboted bullet also...
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Post by cvawolf on Nov 13, 2012 10:57:10 GMT -5
save the powerbelts for the coyotes hunt deer with the t/c shockwaves 250gr massive wound channels and good blood trail if the deer doesnt drop where it stood.. i have a cva wolf 209 magnum using winchester 209 primers and 100gr 777 pellets. xtp hp is a good saboted bullet also...
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Post by oldhoyt on Nov 13, 2012 11:49:37 GMT -5
I shoot 350 gr Hornady FPBs. They are a full-bore copper clad bullet like powerbelts, but they rely on a hollow base design to seal the bore as opposed to a plastic "button". I shoot them over 100 gr loose Pyrodex and they are accurate and perform well on deer.
I disagree with those that feel much expansion is needed for muzzleloader bullets on deer. A 50 cal hole is big enough already. What I like is reliable penetration. I want a bullet to be able to break a couple bones if needed and still keep enough steam to exit. Two holes leave better blood trails in case you don't hit your deer perfectly.
I've shot 5 deer with FPBs from about 40 yds to 100. All left good sized exit holes, so I think they did expand somewhat. Just not so much they stayed in the deer.
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Post by daneowner on Nov 13, 2012 15:24:41 GMT -5
Couple years ago I tried the powerbelts, very accurate, BUT, had complete pass thur with no expansion and hardly any blood trail on two deer I shot. Used rest of them for target practice only. I personally like the Barnes Expanders and Blackhorn powder. Note! some ML breech plugs are not compatible for this powder.
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Any advice would be appreciated. I know every gun shoots different but if I can get it pretty close I'll be happy for this year.
