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Post by hornharvester on Sept 20, 2011 9:18:05 GMT -5
What could cause a heavier bullet to have a flatter trajectory than a high BC lighter bullet, unless it's bone crushing powder charges. In you opinion, what are the best bullets to use for 200+ yard shots in the 50 and for the 45? The B.C. is the most important factor in long distance shooting and weight comes in second. With the B.C.s being close the heavier bullets shoots farther and has less drop. The lighter bullets loses it energy quicker and starts to drop sooner. Depends on the speeds of the two bullets on how far out this happens. I guess the finally bullet choice is up to the shooter and how far their kill range is. For long distance shooting in the .50 the Barnes Original 300 grain is one of the best if not the best but Barnes 290 Spitfires or Parker Hydrocones are also a good choice. All these bullets have a better B.C. than say a XTP. Really any jacketed or all copper bullet with a good B.C. and weighs 275 grains or more and shoots good in your gun is a good choice for distance. If I wanted to keep it simple and wanted a 200 yard deer gun I would use a .452 300 grain XTP, MMP or Harvester short black sabot, 44-46 grains of 5744 and a CCI 209M primer. This is the bullet the Savage's designer Henry Ball designed the gun to shoot. In the .45 smokeless guns which most are Pac Nor barrels, some McGowens and SMI's the ideal bullet for distance is the Barnes 195 grain Expander. At 2550 -2800 fps its very accurate at distance using 56-62 grains of H-4198 and a light blue Harvester sabot. I personally shot a 5 shot 200 yard 1.012 group using a Pac Nor and 60 grains of H-4198 and the Barnes 195. Some guys like the Hornady 200 grain SST using the same loads. This bullet is tougher than the 250 SST and doesn't seem to frag as bad. If I were going on a long distance hunt I would use the Barnes BO or Spitfire in a .50 and Barnes 195 in the .45. If you hit big bone all of these bullets will drive on through and you wont be watching your big game run off on three legs. h.h.
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Post by mbogo on Sept 21, 2011 16:25:23 GMT -5
What could cause a heavier bullet to have a flatter trajectory than a high BC lighter bullet, unless it's bone crushing powder charges. In you opinion, what are the best bullets to use for 200+ yard shots in the 50 and for the 45? The B.C. is the most important factor in long distance shooting and weight comes in second. With the B.C.s being close the heavier bullets shoots farther and has less drop. The lighter bullets loses it energy quicker and starts to drop sooner. Depends on the speeds of the two bullets on how far out this happens. I guess the finally bullet choice is up to the shooter and how far their kill range is. For long distance shooting in the .50 the Barnes Original 300 grain is one of the best if not the best but Barnes 290 Spitfires or Parker Hydrocones are also a good choice. All these bullets have a better B.C. than say a XTP. Really any jacketed or all copper bullet with a good B.C. and weighs 275 grains or more and shoots good in your gun is a good choice for distance. If I wanted to keep it simple and wanted a 200 yard deer gun I would use a .452 300 grain XTP, MMP or Harvester short black sabot, 44-46 grains of 5744 and a CCI 209M primer. This is the bullet the Savage's designer Henry Ball designed the gun to shoot. In the .45 smokeless guns which most are Pac Nor barrels, some McGowens and SMI's the ideal bullet for distance is the Barnes 195 grain Expander. At 2550 -2800 fps its very accurate at distance using 56-62 grains of H-4198 and a light blue Harvester sabot. I personally shot a 5 shot 200 yard 1.012 group using a Pac Nor and 60 grains of H-4198 and the Barnes 195. Some guys like the Hornady 200 grain SST using the same loads. This bullet is tougher than the 250 SST and doesn't seem to frag as bad. If I were going on a long distance hunt I would use the Barnes BO or Spitfire in a .50 and Barnes 195 in the .45. If you hit big bone all of these bullets will drive on through and you wont be watching your big game run off on three legs. h.h. Given the same diameter bullet the heavier one will eventually win out in a drop contest, but the distance at which it begins to show an advantage is the important thing. In rifles, it generally takes quite a lot of distance (longer than many people are capable of shooting accurately) for the heavier bullet to gain the advantage in drop over the faster, lighter bullet. For example, I shoot Barnes 110 TTSXs in my .270 WSM because they fly flatter (and hit harder) out to my maximum range. Now, if I wanted to take 500 yard shots with it, I would be better served by a heavier bullet. I'm sure in muzzleloaders and with bigger bullets it happen quicker but at what distance do you break even or start to gain? 175? 200? 250? Also, the heavier bullet is at a disadvantage at all shorter (and more common) ranges.
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Post by hornharvester on Sept 21, 2011 18:31:34 GMT -5
The magic bullet debate has been going on for years. All of them will kill so pick the one you like best. h.h.
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Post by single_shooter on Dec 20, 2011 13:44:53 GMT -5
It seems this fella has some interesting views and some interesting points top make on BC's and bullet performance in shooting ML rifles at longer ranges www.chuckhawks.com/bc_not_exist.htm
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 20, 2011 15:08:19 GMT -5
If you know Wakeman you know hes a self proclaimed muzzleloader expert and full of it most of the time. What the article didnt say was Wakeman shafted Cecil out of $5000 for a caribou hunt. Before that happened PR bullets were the best thing sinced sliced bread according to Wakeman. h.h.
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