Precision Rifle's DeadCenter Bullets?

Yes, smokeless powder. I've been shooting 44.5 grains of 5744 thus far with the .357s. I haven't shot the .40s yet. Groups have averaged about 1.5", which is about as good as I can do with my setup. I don't have a chrony so no idea on the velocity for smokeless but I think I read on the site that people were getting around 2200 fps with 777 or blackpowder out of Encores. I would imagine smokeless loads can easily approach the low end of .358 wssm level velocities.

BTW, I am using the MMP sub-bases on every load. Based on the fit of just the sabot, I doubt they will shoot as well without them.

Yes, I've been to Doug's board a few times especially when I first started with smokeless. My understanding of the mechanics of firing lead bullets is that the pressure has to be kept relatively low to keep the gas from cutting past the base of the bullet. The sabot and to a greater extent, in this case, the sub-base alleviates that concern. Incidently, I have recovered nearly every sub-base I have fired, they were all in a neat little pile about 40 yards from the muzzle.

If the .40s shoot well, I will likely make them my choice for hunting because I feel a little more comfortable about the extra weight and larger diameter performing well on deer. I'll let you know how they perform when I take something with them.

With smokeless powder being careful of mis-fires with them especially if the gun has been loaded for a while.

Let me clarify, accuracy is not a problem nor a concern for me with these bullets. Again, the initial load shot as well as Barnes .45 260 grain bullets and better than Hornady .45 XTPs. I have no doubt that the Savage is capable of shooting 1" or better groups but not from the portable bench setup I shoot from.

Read about it in the link, it's explained there.

I use them, they kill wonderfully effiecent. I have had a few misfire issues with the Savage barrel, and no longer load them in it, but the Smokeless Muzzleloading barrel likes them very well.

I generally use 5744, as hot as my shoulder can stand. These bullets are soft lead, but I've never recovered one yet, always punching through both sides. Hammers big body bucks like dropping a ton of bricks on them. But I've never killed one at over 150 yards yet, so don't know if they are the best choice for long range shooting or not.

Timex, were you using the .357s or the .40s?

Another reason Ive never been keen on PR bullets is back when the Savage 10ML first came out I called the owner Cecil Epps and asked him which of his bullets would work best for smokeless muzzle loading. He proceeded to chew my butt out about smokeless muzzle loading and told me it had no place in the muzzle loading world. He actually got quite nasty about it. I thanked him for his time and hung up.

A few years later Cecil starts promoting his smokeless muzzle loading stuff on his website. A complete 180 degree turn around. That being said I think his bullets work better using Black powder subs.

For long distance shooting there are better bullets that have very good B.C.. Heavier bullets shoot flatter than lighter bullets at distance plus they carry more energy.

Ive found one of the cheapest things you can do to a Savage to improve accuracy is to bed the action. If you do the work yourself materials cost less than 20.00. Also check the front scope base to see that it doesnt sit up on the recoil lug. Some do as the factory lug sticks up a bit and this causes the base not to be seated square on the action. Also the front scope base mounting screw can bottom out before its tight. Simple fix is to grind a thread or two off the screw. And lastly service your breech plug every 30 shots or so by drilling out the carbon. The carbon closes up the holes and makes accuracy go away. Vent liners should be changed when they get .036 - .038 thousands in size. h.h.