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Post by randolphcounty on Aug 3, 2011 20:54:12 GMT -5
Steve.. I would disagree with you that the "average" hunter would say he would rather the bow kill. Maybe the average bow hunter. I think whether its killed with bow, gun, or whatever it should be cherished. 200 inch or a doe. I would go as far to say that if the new state record is jaded by killing with a muzzleloader maybe it should walk. Never look down or be "jaded" by any animal killed by any legal means. I guess we will agree to disagree. Your mind is set and so is mine and I don't want this to turn into what many discussions turn into. Good hunting. Maybe informal survey. How does everyone else feel? I don't know about bow kill, but I would much rather take a deer at 20 yards than I would 150, I almost feel like I owe the deer more than a 150 yard shot, and that is nothing against the way anyone hunts, just my personal feelings, for me a deer taken at 20 yards is more rewarding that one taken at 150, is the the same amount of meat in the freezer, yes, but from an emotional and challenge stand point........ besides, I feel like I need to give them more of a chance to bust me, figure I owe em that.... don't mean to anger anyone and hope didn't sound too stupid, again just personal feelings..... Good Hunting All
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Post by steve46511 on Aug 4, 2011 7:42:21 GMT -5
"I guess we will agree to disagree. Your mind is set and so is mine and I don't want this to turn into what many discussions turn into. Good hunting."
I too can accept that, my friend. Anyone expecting others to always think like they themselves do.....is in for a rude awakening. LOL
I do appreciate you allowing me to voice my "feeling otherwise" opinion on it, regardless.
In my post, I should have clarified what an "average deer hunter" is (to me) and whom I was referring to.
"Average" to me....means a deer hunter whom hunts deer with whatever weapons (plural) he chooses and is not locked to a specific method or weapon.
My "bowhunter" friends wouldnt shoot a buck with a gun if it walked up and posed. lol
You are of course correct too on my "jaded" post. That has entered my mind often and I have indeed passed up many decent bucks with a gun and gone without. They would have had an arrow chasing them had I had my bow in my hand!
It may not be long before my ol Renegade gets retired except for a doe during ML season should the desire for venison still be at hand.
Hunt with and for what you will, guys! None of us are ever going to agree on what deer hunting is to ALL.........but we only need to decide what it means, and the deer we take......mean to us, individually.
Obviously the author of this thread is also a dedicated deer hunter as I too feel I am..........we simply measure with different yardsticks is all.
Accept that one........that will always be within life! What the rip would we discuss if we all agreed, for Heaven's Sake? LOL
Hunt and let Hunt!!
God Bless!
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Post by dadfsr on Aug 4, 2011 8:12:29 GMT -5
"I guess we will agree to disagree. Your mind is set and so is mine and I don't want this to turn into what many discussions turn into. Good hunting." I too can accept that, my friend. Anyone expecting others to always think like they themselves do.....is in for a rude awakening. LOL I do appreciate you allowing me to voice my "feeling otherwise" opinion on it, regardless. In my post, I should have clarified what an "average deer hunter" is (to me) and whom I was referring to. "Average" to me....means a deer hunter whom hunts deer with whatever weapons (plural) he chooses and is not locked to a specific method or weapon. My "bowhunter" friends wouldnt shoot a buck with a gun if it walked up and posed. lol You are of course correct too on my "jaded" post. That has entered my mind often and I have indeed passed up many decent bucks with a gun and gone without. They would have had an arrow chasing them had I had my bow in my hand! It may not be long before my ol Renegade gets retired except for a doe during ML season should the desire for venison still be at hand. Hunt with and for what you will, guys! None of us are ever going to agree on what deer hunting is to ALL.........but we only need to decide what it means, and the deer we take......mean to us, individually. Obviously the author of this thread is also a dedicated deer hunter as I too feel I am..........we simply measure with different yardsticks is all. Accept that one........that will always be within life! What the rip would we discuss if we all agreed, for Heaven's Sake? LOL Hunt and let Hunt!! God Bless! Steve-I was also going to somewhat take you to task about your "average deer hunter"....after a torn rotator cuff, and two thumb surgeries-all on the left side I doubt that I would be able to take on any kind of archery equipment except for a crossbow right now (I guess some would consider me a "cripple" ). Given all that I don't think I would fit into your group of "average deer hunter" friends. How in the world anyone could think that any deer I take with any legal weapon and in a legal manner, whether at 1 yard or 100+ yards, should even be considered "jaded" in anyone's mind is beyond me....guess I just don't have that same "I'm better than you are because ( ....insert whatever harebrained reasoning you wish here)". My son put together a TC Encore in .308 (Thank you Dan!!) for me this year that is deer legal, which I'm sure will reach out and take a deer to at least the 250 yard mark (just ask the dead groundhog ;D)-now what do you think I'm just going to have to try to take a deer with this year??? If it would just happen to be a 200" buck taken at 250 yards, would that be a "jaded" record??? We really need to stop and think of hunting/fishing as whole-being outdoors, meeting with Mother Nature, observing the natural order of life and passing that educated attitude on others...rather than splinter groups of "hunters/fishermen" saying that they are better than others because...(again insert whatever harebrained reason). OK? That's just my two cents worth and humble opinion!
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Post by INDeerhunter on Aug 4, 2011 11:05:20 GMT -5
For me I dont know what the "average deerhunter" prolly even really is, I feel like I would be an average "BOWHUNTER" but I dont really know who is average and who is not. IMO being almost strictly a bowhunter I would rather kill a (using your buck here) 200" buck witha bow at 10 yrds than a rifle at 200+ yrds. BUT that just MY PERSONAL OPINION.
I dont think that the guys that are mainly or solely gunhunters would rather take that same deer witha bow ! Maybe they would rather take it as close to them as possible say 25 yrds versus 250 yrds but who am I to state that I know that ! I only know how I personally feel about it. No rudeness intended on my post at all Im not the type to try and stir the pot or start a confrontation or arguement.
IMO the closer the animal is to me and with me being able to harvest that animal at such a close range to me is more rewarding becuz my time and effort paid off ! Not to say that a trophy taken at 250 yards is any less of a trophy at all. To me its more rewarding just becuz I truly think its special to be that close and eye level with a deer. That is part of the reason I only hunt on the ground with that said the other part I dont hunt from a stand is I can no longer climb due to a back injury.
I would still hunt from them from time to time if I could Im sure but I really enjoy hunting on the ground and to be close to the deer I prefer to use a bow that way I can not take a 200+ yrd shot at one, but thats my preference and I believe the "trophy" is in the eye of the beholder ! Whether with what ever type of legal weapon !!!
Good Luck to all of you on your quest for that "trophy" deer whether it be becuz it has huge antlers (which I personally care less about but dont care if thats your thing to each therir own) or if its with a bow, gun, ML, or xbow !!! in a stand or on the ground or in a blind, no two hunters agree on mostly anything when it comes to "trophy" deer or how to hunt, lets stop pushing our beliefs on others and do what we enjoy the most HUNT OUR OWN WAY !!! And SPEND TIME IN THE GREAT OUTDOORS with FAMILY and FRIENDS !!
God Bless ! ~INDeerhunter~
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Post by windingwinds on Aug 4, 2011 11:34:17 GMT -5
"Time and effort paid off."-INdeerhunter I really have to say this is my feelings on this subject. Say I do save up enough money, learn enough things over the years and get out west and shoot that elk or antelope or gembok....with gun or bow.....will that be a "better" kill than my doe last year? It will cost me more money, that is for sure. But somehow I don't think it will be "better", or for that matter "worse", I don't think I'd trade either experience. I think it reflects our journey as hunters, and really is quite a personal thing.
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Post by INDeerhunter on Aug 4, 2011 11:51:32 GMT -5
I agree with you winding winds, I think its all about our own personal hunting journey, how we hunt, what a "trophy" is to us, how we choose to hunt (gun, bow, any legal weapon, stand, gorund, blind etc.) those are the only things that matter IMO.
I dont care what others think of the way I hunt or the deer I take, I dont think we should worry what other hunters do as long as its legal and ethical !! I hope that my post didnt upset you or anyone else that was not my intention at all.
I have nothing against the "antler" hunters, gun hunters, or stand hunters. Thats up to them to decide what they like to hunt with and how to do it. I personal prefer to hunt for the experience, the times in the outdoors, my personal accomlishment of getting close to a deer at ground level and harvestin it with my bow !
I love to share my experience and knowledge with those that are interested, with family and friends, and especially my wife and children ! I hunt strictly for my own personal reasons and of course to help provide meat on the table for my family, and at the end of the day Im happy about the way I hunt and for the reasons I chose to start hunting. I hope that I can continue the tradition my dad taught me with my children when they get big enough to go along with me !
They are interested in hunting at their early age, and my wife has been interested in it for several years now as well, I couldnt ask for anything better. I have one more reason to spend time with my wife ( as if I need another ), she is my best friend we do everything together and we enjoy hunting together as well. Im thankful I have someone that close tro me to enjoy the hunting experience with.
IMO we need to just enjoy our time in the field hunting with family and friends and not concern ourselves with what other hunters do as long as its legal and ethical I hope that you all enjoy it as much as I do !!!
I dont think that one hunt is "better" or "worse" than the other either Winding winds, if I made it seem that way I apologize, I simply meant to me my personal hunting experience I strive for a fast clean kill, legal and ethical, and with my bow and get the deer as close to me as possible, thats the most rewarding and successful that I can ask for. Thats what makes my hunting trips spectacular and makes me the happiest !!!
God Bless and Gooding shootin' ~INDeerhunter~
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