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Post by Indyhunter on Mar 14, 2011 22:44:25 GMT -5
Just wanted to give everyone a heads up. The place i've turkey hunted for 7 years with no problems/issues etc is out for this year. Why? Because a group from the Campbell Outdoor Challenge has moved in. I/we have taken care of the land owner, or so we thought. We visit him to catch up and shoot the crap, take him to dinner, do any chores needed to help with the property etc, heck I spent over 3 hours fixing his pc when he messed it up with virus's and that was on opening day of season! None of it mattered apparently. I contacted him and he said the first 3 days of turkey are no longer, he's given it to a Campbell group. He said they are paying "in a way" but did not elaborate. This is HNF area near the Ohio River, and he doesn't own a lot of property considering. It's a great access point to get to areas others without permission can't without walking for a half hour or more. But it appears the "amateurs" now have enough sponsors to take over private property as well. One by one, it becomes commercial. If you haven't experienced it yet, be prepared.
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Post by oneshot on Mar 15, 2011 6:13:25 GMT -5
Sorry for your loss.
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Post by kevin1 on Mar 15, 2011 6:18:58 GMT -5
It's a big woods, and a half hour walk ain't bad for good hunting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 6:55:03 GMT -5
The Challenge leases are all short term. I've had really good luck hunting them after the Campbells guys are done. It's a archery hunt, and there won't be much distrubance to the turkeys at all. Most if these short term leases are generated because the landowners want to help the local community by providing a good hunt with national exposure.
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Post by buckfever on Mar 15, 2011 7:44:59 GMT -5
The Challenge leases are all short term. I've had really good luck hunting them after the Campbells guys are done. It's a archery hunt, and there won't be much distrubance to the turkeys at all. Most if these short term leases are generated because the landowners want to help the local community by providing a good hunt with national exposure. Sorry you are missing out on the first three days. However, a couple buddies and I have hunted the farms campbells has used the past few years, and we have had great luck bagging some great toms. even a day or two after Campbells is gone the birds are really getting fired up. This challenge helps the local buisnesses as well as the landowners. I feel this is just a small setback that has helped the Perry County community the past few years. I suggest you go hunt opening weekend. campbells will be long gone by then,this isn't going to be as bad as you think. Heck if you congratulate the landowner for trying to help his community, It may even give you a better bond with him in the future!!! Hope you have a great season  |
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Post by hunter7x on Mar 15, 2011 10:03:29 GMT -5
sorry to hear, Ive had land leased out from under me too and it stinks.
BUT, I'd rather hunt the last 3 days of turkey season than the first 3 anyway.
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Post by fullrut on Mar 15, 2011 10:12:59 GMT -5
I know several of those Campbell guys. As long as they haven't changed I doubt they will have much impact on the turkeys, other than maybe making them a little call shy. I know this sucks but it could be worse. Good Luck.
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Post by lymanl3 on Mar 15, 2011 14:12:23 GMT -5
The Challenge leases are all short term. I've had really good luck hunting them after the Campbells guys are done. It's a archery hunt, and there won't be much distrubance to the turkeys at all. Most if these short term leases are generated because the landowners want to help the local community by providing a good hunt with national exposure. Sorry you are missing out on the first three days. However, a couple buddies and I have hunted the farms campbells has used the past few years, and we have had great luck bagging some great toms. even a day or two after Campbells is gone the birds are really getting fired up. This challenge helps the local buisnesses as well as the landowners. I feel this is just a small setback that has helped the Perry County community the past few years. I suggest you go hunt opening weekend. campbells will be long gone by then,this isn't going to be as bad as you think. Heck if you congratulate the landowner for trying to help his community, It may even give you a better bond with him in the future!!! Hope you have a great season lol.....congratulate him for helping his community. I lease, but thats about as PC as it gets. You must be hunting the first 3 days.. |
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Post by Indyhunter on Mar 15, 2011 17:07:28 GMT -5
I have vacation those first 3 days and I can't change it now, and almost always kill my bird on opening or second day in or around that property. I no longer hunt opening weekend down there due to the amount of people that show up. It was the only sanctuary I had that I didn't have to worry about everyone and their brother walking around and busting Toms when I had one working.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 18:06:05 GMT -5
Lyman, buckfever has busted his butt the last few years and spent tons of his money putting on the hunt for the COC. He's not the bad guy here. I'm sorry that someone can't hunt those farms those days, but that's why it's a really great idea to have a lease contract in place to ensure you don't lose a spot. The reason BF puts in the time to put this hunt together is because he's a community minded person. ALL the landowners in the Tell City area, gather for the event and really think highly of Bob and his efforts. All he gets from it is some praise, no money. In fact, it cost him dearly to put this on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 18:08:57 GMT -5
I have vacation those first 3 days and I can't change it now, and almost always kill my bird on opening or second day in or around that property. I no longer hunt opening weekend down there due to the amount of people that show up. It was the only sanctuary I had that I didn't have to worry about everyone and their brother walking around and busting Toms when I had one working. You'll be fine, trade your vacation in for Tues on and you'll be better. The Challenge is always an archery hunt, so the guys won't be running and gunning. They always hunt from a blind to get the best results, as most of the grading is on the video not the kill. BUT, if your smart, you'll be wanting to get a contract on the property for following years. |
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Post by Indyhunter on Mar 15, 2011 22:57:49 GMT -5
I have days off to be down there Tuesday afternoon through Friday evening. Thats hunting the first 3 days, what I said in my first post.
My overall point as it has been said before by plenty of others, is that hunting is quickly becoming a commodity and way too commercialized. And you never know when your "lease" will become a loss when the next company comes in with more money. And just because you lease with a written agreement, that will absolutely NOT stop someone else from moving in on your action a month before season. Honesty, integrity, and sweat are no longer part of most peoples language in the hunting business. It's all about the money, greed. The new way, but sad.
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Post by lymanl3 on Mar 16, 2011 0:10:35 GMT -5
Lyman, buckfever has busted his butt the last few years and spent tons of his money putting on the hunt for the COC. He's not the bad guy here. I'm sorry that someone can't hunt those farms those days, but that's why it's a really great idea to have a lease contract in place to ensure you don't lose a spot. The reason BF puts in the time to put this hunt together is because he's a community minded person. ALL the landowners in the Tell City area, gather for the event and really think highly of Bob and his efforts. All he gets from it is some praise, no money. In fact, it cost him dearly to put this on. My apologies then. I agree, should have been in the contract and its a shame this has happened, but none of us are immune. Indyhunter if your needing a place to turkey hunt shoot me a pm, I may be able to help you out. |
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Post by lymanl3 on Mar 16, 2011 0:12:23 GMT -5
I have days off to be down there Tuesday afternoon through Friday evening. Thats hunting the first 3 days, what I said in my first post. My overall point as it has been said before by plenty of others, is that hunting is quickly becoming a commodity and way too commercialized. And you never know when your "lease" will become a loss when the next company comes in with more money. And just because you lease with a written agreement, that will absolutely NOT stop someone else from moving in on your action a month before season. Honesty, integrity, and sweat are no longer part of most peoples language in the hunting business. It's all about the money, greed. The new way, but sad. If its in the contract, then thats a legal binding document. Its no different than a farmer leasing ground to farm...money is money. Id ask for my money back. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 16:07:28 GMT -5
The deal is that these short term leases are not from money changing hands. The landowners do it for good-will to the area, Perry Co., and Tell City. If you want these leases to NOT interfere with your hunting, take it up with the landowner.
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Post by Indyhunter on Mar 16, 2011 23:25:56 GMT -5
To a point, Timex. But this isn't bringing in a hundred thousand people and millions of tax dollars to Tell City, or even the entire Perry County area. This isn't the NCAA, or the Superbowl. Heck, I bet it isn't bringing in 10 people to the entire county. The fishing tournaments that are held there on the Ohio River bring in much more. You act as if I was asking you for a handout. You do not get the point, but that's fine. No need to go on. Obviously a sore spot with you.
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Post by Indyhunter on Mar 16, 2011 23:31:02 GMT -5
Lymanl3, I didn't mean to make anyone think I had a current lease with the owner. I don't. He's been offered money and he has refused. I've done what he seemed to enjoy which is someone to talk to, taken him to dinner, fixed his pc, kicked off trespassers, cleaned up his property, helped with things around the house, etc. I suppose it is a timing issue, and a sales pitch. Stuff happens.
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Post by bigjohn on Mar 17, 2011 1:08:11 GMT -5
So this land owner has never asked anything of you , and out of the goodness of his heart he lets you hunt his land. You do stuff for him in return with the intentions of being able to keep hunting the land. He wants nothing out of it.
He then turns around and asks that you respect that he has given someone else access to his property free of charge (Which he also does for you) for three days. Which he has every right to do as the landowner. And you have a problem with it.
It sounds to me like you need to have your priorities checked. You do those things for him because it is the right thing to do....not because it entitles you to squat!
Now if you offered money and he refused and then leases it to someone else...I agree you have an issue.
Lyman made you one hell of an offer. Lyman I commend you for doing the stand up thing.
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Post by tickman1961 on Mar 17, 2011 10:06:10 GMT -5
So this land owner has never asked anything of you , and out of the goodness of his heart he lets you hunt his land. You do stuff for him in return with the intentions of being able to keep hunting the land. He wants nothing out of it. He then turns around and asks that you respect that he has given someone else access to his property free of charge (Which he also does for you) for three days. Which he has every right to do as the landowner. And you have a problem with it. It sounds to me like you need to have your priorities checked. You do those things for him because it is the right thing to do....not because it entitles you to squat! Now if you offered money and he refused and then leases it to someone else...I agree you have an issue. Lyman made you one hell of an offer. Lyman I commend you for doing the stand up thing. Thumbs up..... |
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Post by Indyhunter on Mar 17, 2011 21:40:42 GMT -5
Sheesh. Everyone is perfect.  Reminds me of why I quit posting opinions to begin with. No one reads a thing, but is certainly ready to jump on the poster. (Usually those with feelings hurt or something that hits too close to feeling guilty.) I'll go back into watching mode. I feel at least the guy could have given me a heads up and given me the same chance. Even if he didn't extend that offer, he could have let me know that I needed to find a different place to hunt those 3 days when he signed the papers. I thought I should at least have that amount of respect. I'm sure many of you feel differently. Ah well. |
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