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Post by js2397 on Jan 22, 2011 14:39:54 GMT -5
A buddy called me yesterday and said he saw the biggest buck he has ever seen and two smaller eight pointers chasing a doe all around his house.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Jan 22, 2011 17:48:26 GMT -5
Late season can be great for seeing the big dudes. I think they hold out for most of firearm season, then late season when pressure is down they emerge to do some breeding
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Post by schall53 on Jan 23, 2011 10:32:52 GMT -5
I saw a half rack 6 and a smaller 6 chasing a little bity doe last week myself.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 23, 2011 10:51:11 GMT -5
Yearling doe's will often be bred late. Jan and Feb. Not that uncommon.
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Post by Decatur on Jan 23, 2011 11:44:08 GMT -5
That's how we get fawns with spots in hunting season.
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Post by tickman1961 on Jan 24, 2011 11:06:31 GMT -5
The truth of the matter - the doe population is out of control if bucks are still breedding does in January...
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 24, 2011 11:48:49 GMT -5
Not a biologist, but have been told for year's that late fawn's normally breed in December and January. I thought that was normal. Anyone no for sure???
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Post by buckhunta on Jan 24, 2011 12:19:26 GMT -5
The truth of the matter - the doe population is out of control if bucks are still breedding does in January... Because someone sees one doe in heat in January the population is out of control??? |
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Post by Decatur on Jan 24, 2011 12:27:45 GMT -5
With does coming into estrus at various times, and multiple times due to not being bred, or an unsuccessful breeding, plus, who hasn't seen a doe being pursued way before the rut by hopeful bucks? I'm sure it happens well after the rut as well. I don't see how one can assume that the doe population is out of control just because someone sees a doe being hounded in January. $.02
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Jan 24, 2011 16:18:32 GMT -5
Don't know if I'd say it was "out of control" but I wouldn't mind seeing a few less on farm. Never seen a doe get chased this late in the year before.
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Post by tickman1961 on Jan 24, 2011 16:26:00 GMT -5
Logical to me that the doe keeps cycling because no buck has copulated with her. The breeding season is shorter and more compact when your buck to doe ratio is closer to 1:1 ratio. Believe what you want.
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Post by shooterbuck on Jan 24, 2011 16:55:34 GMT -5
Here is the biological fact that the doe fawns of the year that have now reached sexual maturity and will weigh in around 80# -100# FD and live weight will go 135 -100 lbs now at this time of year will cycle into heat .It dose not mean that the doe herd is at or over where the numbers shou
ld be it is natural for this happen and any doe missed will not cycle continually until they are bred .they will eventually stop cycling this late winter.
Too man people that do not fully understand the way deer grow and mature and jump to way to many conclusions when they see a buck or bucks chase a doe . The entire time a buck carries his antlers he is able to breed.And doe fawns of the year commonly cycle in Dec. Jan,and Feb. Many however do not get bred the first winter they cycle.
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Post by shooterbuck on Jan 24, 2011 16:58:44 GMT -5
The truth of the matter - the doe population is out of control if bucks are still breedding does in January... Not at all 8 or 9 month old doe fawns will cycle now quite often .That is the rash type statement and conclusion that those unaware of the biology of the animal they hunt make that leads others to false conclusions and the spreading of wives tails and hearsay . |
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Post by shooterbuck on Jan 24, 2011 17:00:34 GMT -5
Logical to me that the doe keeps cycling because no buck has copulated with her. The breeding season is shorter and more compact when your buck to doe ratio is closer to 1:1 ratio. Believe what you want. It can be 1- 1 ratios on every peice of ground and the deer will still cycle at different times and the doe fawns will always cycle in the winter months well after the peak of the rut. |
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Post by tickman1961 on Jan 25, 2011 11:51:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the educational enlightenment shooterbuck...
Personally sick of people stating "deer numbers are down" because they don't see deer like they used too.
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Post by deerman on Jan 25, 2011 12:22:55 GMT -5
Yeah, it sucks listening to hunters honest concerns that the herd is down thier area. If only everyone knew as much as you.
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Post by swilk on Jan 25, 2011 12:41:11 GMT -5
....... be it is natural for this happen and any doe missed will not cycle continually until they are bred .they will eventually stop cycling this late winter. Are you sure they will not continue to cycle until bred? I have never looked into it one way or the other but always assumed they would until bred. Edit; Did a little google surfing and came up with several hits seeming to say that a doe who is not successfully bred on the first cycle will usually cycle until bred. One article referenced breeding in the third or fourth cycle. That would put a doe being bred in January or February. I am sure there are no hardened rules but it looks like at least some of the time a doe will continue until she is successfully bred .... which might be in the very late winter, spring or even later (in theory). |
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 25, 2011 13:47:02 GMT -5
That's what I've been told also and have read several time's, but most of the time the late breeder's are the young immature deer that are coming into their first estrous. (And not all yearling's breed their first year I've read also.)
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Post by shooterbuck on Jan 25, 2011 17:02:40 GMT -5
....... be it is natural for this happen and any doe missed will not cycle continually until they are bred .they will eventually stop cycling this late winter. Are you sure they will not continue to cycle until bred? I have never looked into it one way or the other but always assumed they would until bred. Edit; Did a little google surfing and came up with several hits seeming to say that a doe who is not successfully bred on the first cycle will usually cycle until bred. One article referenced breeding in the third or fourth cycle. That would put a doe being bred in January or February. I am sure there are no hardened rules but it looks like at least some of the time a doe will continue until she is successfully bred .... which might be in the very late winter, spring or even later (in theory). Yes it is brought on by light conditions that stimulates the doe to cycle. So infact they will only cycle as a general rule only so many times till the light shuts them off..Once daylight reached a certain amount per day they will stop cycling and then cycle like normal in the fall when daylight hours decrease to a point to stimulate the doe into estrous |
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Post by shooterbuck on Jan 25, 2011 17:13:57 GMT -5
Yeah, it sucks listening to hunters honest concerns that the herd is down thier area. If only everyone knew as much as you. I hope this was not directed at me because I am in fact very glad and proud of the fact that I am educated especially about the animals I hunt. I do not understand why anyone that hunts and enjoys it so much would not try to educate themselves more about in this case the deer they hunt . Its as simple as going to a library and getting a book or 10 and reading them . That way they understand the activities that they see the animals doing at certain times of year of why they are doing what they are doing. Insults/sarcasm will not make anyone know less it may make someone feel better about themselves for a minute but they still know that they could be wrong or more educated about what they love to do. If not so be it and my apologies. If so ,cracking some books might be in order . More education about the animals that hunter pursues always leads to more successful hunters and feeling better about the way we hunt and almost without fail bigger and better animals as well . |
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