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Post by moray on Nov 23, 2010 19:24:45 GMT -5
I was on a ohio board and saw a nasty debate going on.A hunter told how he shot a big buck late in the evening.After waiting awhile he started tracking and bumped the deer.He waited more time and started trailing agian.He found the deer in a stream but still alive.He made another shot and put the deer down.Someone responded by calling him a low life scumbag poacher for shooting after legal hours.I think he did the right thing ending the deers suffering,what do you guys think?
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Post by js2397 on Nov 23, 2010 19:35:12 GMT -5
It was definitely illegal. He probably should have backed out and waited until the next morning.
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Post by INDeerhunter on Nov 23, 2010 19:35:35 GMT -5
I would say its a "gray" area...... Although it may have seemed to be the right thing to do in order to put the deer "out of its suffering", it is still illegal to shoot after legal hunting hours.
I dont know If I personally would go as far to say the man was a "low life scumbag poacher" but the best thing the man could have done after jumping it the first time IMO would ahve been to back out and wait til morning to track the animal again.
Sounds to me like the shot placement in this sceanrio wasnt the greatest, with the animal jumping up twice and then being found in a water way it seems to me that the animal was gut shot and therefore would again have been best to have backed out and return to the search the following morning !
If you are ever in doubt of a shot and/or its gettin late you should always back put and come back, and if you ever jump one you should wait several hours to try tracking it again ! In alot of hunters eyes I can see why it could easily be considered both poaching or "right thing to do " "putting it out of its misery".
I would think if you wanted the true legal response to this you should ask a Conservation Officer, but I definitely can see how it could be illegal becuz of being after legal hunting hours, whether or not its poaching since the deer was legally shot ( I assume ) during legal hunting hours, and with the proper equipment and the guy had a tag, but its still to me an illegal shot being it was dark !
Like I stated before the guy should have backed out of the woods whether or not he knew how well the animal was hit or not, after it gettin dark and jumping it up he should have backed out and let the deer bed down to expire, instead of pushin it even more and then dispatchin it with another shot after legal light.
But thats just my Opinion ! Good lUck to you this season and be safe ! ~ INDeerhunter ~
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Post by huxbux on Nov 23, 2010 19:46:16 GMT -5
Doing the "right" thing doesn't always meet the letter of the law. Just because it's illegal, doesn't mean it's unethical. I don't think much of anyone who would call this hunter a "low life, scumbag poacher".
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Post by deerbiskit on Nov 23, 2010 19:49:53 GMT -5
Yeah he should have backed out but I don't think that it should be considered poaching. Better to take the deer then maybe not find him and waste the deer......JMO.................
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Post by Decatur on Nov 23, 2010 19:51:56 GMT -5
Right or wrong, I would have shot and left the exact time of day out of my story. We owe all animals a humane death, and in this situation, it means breaking the law. However, I wouldn't have been in this situation because I would have backed out until morning after kicking him up the first time!
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Nov 23, 2010 20:01:47 GMT -5
... WELL SAID!Right or wrong, I would have shot and left the exact time of day out of my story. We owe all animals a humane death, and in this situation, it means breaking the law. However, I wouldn't have been in this situation because I would have backed out until morning after kicking him up the first time!
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Post by elmo on Nov 23, 2010 21:54:03 GMT -5
well I think that it was the "right" thing to do. Legal is another issue. I had the same kind of situation happen Monday night. I shot a deer probably 20 minutes before dark. He only went about 10 yards and went down. I watched him in my scope and after 5 minutes there was no movement. I called my son to come with the 4 wheeler and just general help. I waited for him to get there before walking over to the deer. When we walked over to the deer he tried to leave, but only 1 front leg worked. I had spine shot the deer and I don't know how but the away front shoulder was mush. We dispatched the deer with another shot that was not legal, but was ethical.
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Post by steve46511 on Nov 24, 2010 1:22:35 GMT -5
Odd senario, IMHO.
I think the majority of us would have backed out if bumping the deer once. HUGE possibility of pushing the deer beyond recovery attempting to track a wounded deer in the dark. Once bumped, and knowing for sure it isn't down, I don't know a single hunter that would continue on that night.
That said, it would definately present a conundrum with the clash of ethical actions to end the suffering.............and the law. Rather not say what I would do but certain that the probability of it occuring is rather slender at best.
On another note, such actions are best NOT advertised broadly if the hunter has any common sense at all. (my opinion only)
God Bless Steve
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Post by mrfixit on Nov 24, 2010 5:48:18 GMT -5
He should have just backed off and come back the next morning.
However, under the explained circumstances, if the responding CO didn't understand I guess he would just have to write me a ticket and I'll take my chances with the judge. There is no need for an animal to suffer any longer than necessary. Somehow, given the explained circumstances and if the evidence corroborated story I think most COs would understand and let it go. They might chew your butt for not backing out and giving the deer time to expire, which you deserve I might add.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2010 8:01:50 GMT -5
I don't have even a slight problem with dispatching a mortally wounded animal in the method required to bring the end result as quickly as possible. If that requires a shot from a bow or gun, then so be it. Ive done several times and likely will a few more. I don't particularly care for yotes and will not provide them a deluxe meal when it could be avoided.
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Post by trophyhunter1 on Nov 24, 2010 8:07:03 GMT -5
I don't have even a slight problem with dispatching a mortally wounded animal in the method required to bring the end result as quickly as possible. If that requires a shot from a bow or gun, then so be it. Ive done several times and likely will a few more. I don't particularly care for yotes and will not provide them a deluxe meal when it could be avoided. x2,, and what if you couldn`t come back in the am?? or until later in the afternoon?? in warm weather like we have been havin? i think the hunter is responsible to finish he actions.. and the deer shouldn`t suffer..
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Post by tenring on Nov 24, 2010 8:36:17 GMT -5
I know a bunch of COs' that would probably chew a few pounds off your back side if you didn't finish the deer off.
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Post by swilk on Nov 24, 2010 8:44:45 GMT -5
Been in that exact scenario before ....
As recently as last week I was helping a buddy track a deer and it just so happened I was the one who found it. It was well after dark and all our weapons were in the truck.
The deer was still alive but was unable to get up and go anywhere.
Our local CO is completely by the book and there was little doubt in any of our minds what he would do if he got word that we had shot it after dark.
We decided to back out and wait until morning.
Not what any of us really wanted to do but it was not worth the risk to any of us.
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Post by swilk on Nov 24, 2010 8:48:43 GMT -5
I don't have even a slight problem with dispatching a mortally wounded animal in the method required to bring the end result as quickly as possible. If that requires a shot from a bow or gun, then so be it. Ive done several times and likely will a few more. I don't particularly care for yotes and will not provide them a deluxe meal when it could be avoided. In Knox county I would make sure nobody speaks of it. Haywood is very much by the book .... no gray areas. We were around some houses so there is no way we would have gone unnoticed.
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Post by huntd711 on Nov 24, 2010 8:55:12 GMT -5
I don't think that you could really consider this poaching, he's giving fair chase to a deer he shot legally. Yes, almost all of us would have backed out and waited till morning, but for whatever reason this guy didn't. What you really have to look at here is the situation he was faced with. He tracked this deer down and found it still alive. Now, it's after legal shooting time and this deer is laying in front of him still alive and suffering. Shoot it and put it out of it's misery or back out and wait till morning? Tough choice! I know what I would do, but that I'll keep to myself.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 24, 2010 9:25:50 GMT -5
I don't think that you could really consider this poaching, he's giving fair chase to a deer he shot legally. Yes, almost all of us would have backed out and waited till morning, but for whatever reason this guy didn't. What you really have to look at here is the situation he was faced with. He tracked this deer down and found it still alive. Now, it's after legal shooting time and this deer is laying in front of him still alive and suffering. Shoot it and put it out of it's misery or back out and wait till morning? Tough choice! I know what I would do, but that I'll keep to myself. Ditto....
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Post by raporter on Nov 24, 2010 9:39:58 GMT -5
I don't think that you could really consider this poaching, he's giving fair chase to a deer he shot legally. Yes, almost all of us would have backed out and waited till morning, but for whatever reason this guy didn't. What you really have to look at here is the situation he was faced with. He tracked this deer down and found it still alive. Now, it's after legal shooting time and this deer is laying in front of him still alive and suffering. Shoot it and put it out of it's misery or back out and wait till morning? Tough choice! I know what I would do, but that I'll keep to myself. Ditto....No doubt in my mind either.
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Post by barton174 on Nov 24, 2010 10:09:15 GMT -5
No doubt in my mind either. Exactly... Especially with this warm weather we've been having... If the 'yotes don't swoop in and eat it alive (literally), on a night with a 60 degree low like we've had recently, I'm not sure the meat would be good in the morning... Waisting an animal you killed is, to me, a much worse situation than popping off a finishing shot after dark. Mike
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2010 12:55:13 GMT -5
I don't have even a slight problem with dispatching a mortally wounded animal in the method required to bring the end result as quickly as possible. If that requires a shot from a bow or gun, then so be it. Ive done several times and likely will a few more. I don't particularly care for yotes and will not provide them a deluxe meal when it could be avoided. In Knox county I would make sure nobody speaks of it. Haywood is very much by the book .... no gray areas. We were around some houses so there is no way we would have gone unnoticed. Are you sure it's against the law to dispatch a wounded animal after hours? It's not hunting at that point. I would suspect that most any judge would use common sense and not convict someone of doing th right thing.
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