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Post by indianahick on Oct 23, 2010 14:30:52 GMT -5
I don't think that the safety factor is hunter safety per say it is range of a HPR and that there are so few areas where there is not populated areas less than two miles from a mid point.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2010 15:06:47 GMT -5
A lot of state allow HP rifles without incident. That would include Indiana, except during deer season. Stupid gun control rules, makes no sense. This rule apparently enacted without data showing need. There is data showing that it needs to be disallowed.
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Post by evolutionsthunder on Oct 23, 2010 15:22:31 GMT -5
in all honesty what is the difference in shooting at a deer with a HPR or shooting at a coyote with one
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Post by huxbux on Oct 23, 2010 20:18:29 GMT -5
It's just one more tool that certain groups would like to prohibit. Someone may shoot one of "their" trophies.
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Post by tenring on Oct 23, 2010 20:48:08 GMT -5
in all honesty what is the difference in shooting at a deer with a HPR or shooting at a coyote with one Vast difference in the number of people in the field during deer season versus the number of people out coyote hunting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2010 10:23:07 GMT -5
Why do most other states use them successfully? Yet hoosiers can't
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Post by firstwd on Oct 24, 2010 10:53:43 GMT -5
in all honesty what is the difference in shooting at a deer with a HPR or shooting at a coyote with one Vast difference in the number of people in the field during deer season versus the number of people out coyote hunting. Still the same performance and still the same population density. It comes down to the perceived "fear of the people holding the gun".
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Post by stevein on Oct 24, 2010 10:56:37 GMT -5
The laws on choice of firearm were in place long before big antler lust. I remember when elongated bullets were first allowed in muzzle loaders and when there was no handgun season. Michigan allows HPR only above a certain line. Several other states have similar restrictions that allow HPR in one area and not another. I would be in favor of similar restrictions for some counties where the population density is over a certain level. Allow HPR in the less dense counties. Unless things have changed in Maryland you were held to a SMOOTHBORE. My point is you cannot always use what is allowed in another state as justification for changing Indiana.
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Post by drs on Oct 24, 2010 12:59:58 GMT -5
Why do most other states use them successfully? Yet hoosiers can't Because there are too many "Hoosier" Lawyers.
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Post by huxbux on Oct 24, 2010 17:44:09 GMT -5
I think we all already knew that. They were placed into law long ago based on some misconceptions. IMO, they remain for the same reason crossbows aren't allowed in Indiana. The Pennsylvania study has been mentioned here several times but I doubt many have bothered to look it up. Long story short, under controlled conditions, shotgun slugs have proved to travel just slightly less far under normal hunting circumstances (ie. angle of shot) and much farther after striking hard objects (trees, etc.) than HPR bullets. Not the Pennsylvania study, but a brief summary: findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_53/ai_n20512665/
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Post by ith2020 on Oct 24, 2010 21:45:34 GMT -5
The main reason I hear why rifles are not used is that indiana is to flat of a state and the bullet can travel to far.
I know my M/L can reach out there and hit about anything I can see and have a good high % shot at. I am comfortable upto 225y + with it. It would be the same for a rifle for me aswell. Well ya I would be fine shooting farther with my .270 I use on out of state hunts but for me that is really the farthest you are gonna get a shot at in indiana other than those on some nice size farm land.
Bringing back the use of .410 is a step in the right direction though to. So maybe in the future things will change. The main angle hunters need to use is to go after the insurance companies and justify to them why it would be better and more deer can be harvested and they push it through.
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Post by codyray on Oct 24, 2010 22:10:18 GMT -5
I don't get why we cant use a 30-30. We can use new Muzzelloaders that shoot 250 yards but cant use a 30-30 that shoots 150 MAX hm... I can see a 308 or something that will shoot 1000 yards but a 30-30 that is about like a 12 guage. I dont get it.
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Post by drs on Oct 25, 2010 5:38:57 GMT -5
Bringing back the use of .410 is a step in the right direction though to. So maybe in the future things will change. The .410 slug is too small & under powered, for Deer Sized game. Also it is not loaded in a sabot and no rifled barrels are made for the .410 at the present. I once shot a Woodchuck at some 30 yards with a .410 slug. I hit the Woodchuck, he fell over flipped about, for a few seconds and then got up and ran off. Anyone IMHO who thinks the .410 slug, is adequate for Deer, needs their head examined.
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Post by tenring on Oct 25, 2010 13:33:29 GMT -5
I don't get why we cant use a 30-30. We can use new Muzzelloaders that shoot 250 yards but cant use a 30-30 that shoots 150 MAX hm... I can see a 308 or something that will shoot 1000 yards but a 30-30 that is about like a 12 guage. I dont get it. My, my. First post and we're into changing the rules already. Wonder where he was 20 years ago when a few of us were trying just to get straight walled cases legal
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 27, 2010 21:50:44 GMT -5
In KY i (used to) sit in my stand while the neighboring farm had "hunters" the sat inside a trailer poping deer from distances up to 600 yards, most were head shots. It scared the bejesus outa me, as i knew they where shooting my direction, granted they were shooting critters on their property, but hell....
Another note...I had a fairly powerful .270wsm. Never shot a deer past 60 yards with it. The 4 that i shot with it dropped like a sack of tators.
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Post by kevin1 on Oct 28, 2010 6:31:06 GMT -5
The main reason I hear why rifles are not used is that indiana is to flat of a state and the bullet can travel to far. I know my M/L can reach out there and hit about anything I can see and have a good high % shot at. I am comfortable upto 225y + with it. It would be the same for a rifle for me aswell. Well ya I would be fine shooting farther with my .270 I use on out of state hunts but for me that is really the farthest you are gonna get a shot at in indiana other than those on some nice size farm land. Bringing back the use of .410 is a step in the right direction though to. So maybe in the future things will change. The main angle hunters need to use is to go after the insurance companies and justify to them why it would be better and more deer can be harvested and they push it through. That's crap, Oklahoma is way flatter than Indiana, and they allow rifles. The probable answer is that there are more guns in the woods during deer season than at any other time of year, if you multiply the number of guns the risk automatically increases as well. It seems strange to me that 150 years ago everybody hunted deer with long range rifles and MLs, but nobody worried about it despite the vastly greater number of hunters afield back then.
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