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Post by boonechaser on Aug 25, 2010 12:46:04 GMT -5
Friend sent me an email from his local paper here in midwest. Predicting 2010 deer rut will be 10 to 14 days earlier this year. Something to do with fall equinox and the next full moon following the equinox being 14 day's earlier this year. It predict's breeding to start End Oct for first round. F.Y.I. Don't know if it's creditable or not. Anyone else heard anything about this. Last time this happened was 2002. Will have to look at my 2002 hunting log. Regardless I live in wood's from oct 25 till I get my buck, so I'll be out there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 18:26:05 GMT -5
It's not....the peak will be same as always, the full moon in Nov. is on the 21st, so the peak will be before the 15th of the month. The gun opener should be a good one, with decent temps, maybe most of the breeding will take place during the day time?
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Post by racktracker on Aug 25, 2010 19:48:23 GMT -5
I don't believe in the "moon stuff". Too many fawn drop studies that disprove that.
It will peak on November 10th as always.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 25, 2010 19:52:06 GMT -5
I don't believe in the "moon stuff". Too many fawn drop studies that disprove that. It will peak on November 10th as always. Probably, since the main catalyst in inducing the rut is the amount of daylight. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 20:14:57 GMT -5
The peak is ALWAYS on Nov. 10? Dang, learn something new every day. Thanks.
What day will bluegill spawn next Spring?
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Post by schall53 on Aug 25, 2010 21:00:40 GMT -5
You are talking apples and oranges. The rut is triggered by length of day. Bluegills bed when the water reaches the right temperature.
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Post by lugnutz on Aug 25, 2010 21:12:58 GMT -5
Mark my word, this year will be the highest ever total harvest in Indiana.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 25, 2010 21:34:16 GMT -5
The rut is a lot more predictable than the bluegill spawn!
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Post by tickman1961 on Aug 26, 2010 8:01:49 GMT -5
Every full moon from May thru September puts the bluegills on the nest in my pond...
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Post by swilk on Aug 26, 2010 8:06:37 GMT -5
Mark my word, this year will be the highest ever total harvest in Indiana. Things are lining up to make that happen. Early gun opener. Crop harvest has the potential to be ahead of schedule. If the weather is even somewhat decent during gun season we have the chance to shatter previous kill records. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 9:18:41 GMT -5
The rut is a lot more predictable than the bluegill spawn! Well, there's another wrong one. But who's counting. The full moon triggers the spawn, once the water temp reaches a certain point, same with crappie and other fish. Full moon period in April, May and June are the triggers for pan fish. So, with MomNature figuring in the moon phase for her fishes, do you think she totally left it out for four legged creatures?  ? The rut is predictable, in that you know for sure it's going to happen. But the peak breeding does change somewhat, and the moon has an effect. Daylight makes the peak happen in Nov. but some deer breed in Oct. and as late as Jan. |
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Post by Decatur on Aug 26, 2010 10:43:49 GMT -5
Appearently you are, incorrectly, but it's you that seems to be keeping some kind of score.
Fish spawn due to water temperature.
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Post by boonechaser on Aug 26, 2010 12:06:52 GMT -5
Ok did some research on this. Here are the fact's. Fall equinox will occur on sept 22nd this year. 1st full moon following equinox will occur on october 22 this year, (Referred to as hunter's moon) It is actually earlier this year. The new moon (Dark of moon) will occur on Nov. 6th. (Usually more day time activity when dark at night.) So there may be some valitaty to this claim. Regardless as stated earlier most of us will be in stand's end Oct and beginning of Nov.. I have alway's had more success during pre-rut when chasing going on. Anyway that's what I found out. If you'd like to check it out yourself just type in 2010 fall equinox. Page I checked out also had a direct link to moon phases and time's so it's not to hard to fiqure out. Don't know about the fish thing just wanted to share some info that was passed on to me. Do with it as you please. Come on Oct.1st!!!
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Post by steve46511 on Aug 26, 2010 12:31:11 GMT -5
"I have alway's had more success during pre-rut when chasing going on." X2!!
Full moon, for man and beast increases the ACTIVITY during such it seems from my observations but if it changes WHEN things happen?...Cant say but I dont NOTICE such happening.
Prerut is almost always the peak of my buck sightings and almost always the first FULL week of november going by a single week. Second highest is the first weekend of gun season, comparing a couple days alone, with part of the chasing still going on most years with the addition of deer being moved about by hunters.
Since the two time periods are normally connected it's kinda obvious that something is going on then that I like. What I dont care to label rut or pre rut for SURE but......alls good then!
Hardly an expert but the rut seems to happen roughly the same time annually and WAS taught that amount of daylight is the determining factor during whitetail taxidermy classes (but dont make it carved in stone) but still I watch the moon phases.
Just being out there as much as possible works best for me LOL.......never know when some "stray" antlers will come bopping through!
Besides, I like to hunt so I like all parts of the season!
just an opinion
God Bless
Steve
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Post by boonechaser on Aug 26, 2010 13:03:09 GMT -5
Totally agree with you Steve. We can't shoot a wallhanger sit'n in our recliner waltch'n football for sure. Agree that amount of daylight is probably the trigger.
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Post by catahecassa on Aug 26, 2010 13:18:57 GMT -5
I don't believe in the "moon stuff". Too many fawn drop studies that disprove that. It will peak on November 10th as always. OK I will add my humble 2ยข to this one... As has been noted - the moon phases change over time due to inadequacies in our calendar system. That being said, I ABSOLUTELY think that the moon phases do affect deer behavior AND the rut activity. If the gravitational forces of the moon are able to affect the worlds OCEANS - then it would be asinine to assume that it would not affect ALL of Earth's creatures that are composed of a high percentage OF water! All that aside, it is the photoperiod that affects hormone production in both bucks & does. All lower taxonomical mammals have an estrous cycle that is triggered by the amount of sunlight within a 24 hour day. There are 6 stages to the estrous cycle, which are: proestrus, which is when the endometrium(inner layer) of the uterus begins enlarging and preparing for implantation, estrus which is the heat or time of ovulation, metestrus 1 is when the uterus is ready for implantation, metestrus 2 is when the uterus is reabsorbed, Diestrus which is rest and repair of the uterus, and anestrus which is the non reproductive period. The pre-estrous stage would actually be the pre rut in deer. This is caused by activation of the hypothalamus sending a signal to the anterior pituitary gland to release FSH(follicle stimulating hormone) and LH(lutenizing hormone). Through pre estrus, FSH levels are rather high, and drop off closer to the time of ovulation(Estrous stage). During the time of ovulation, LH levels are at the highest point of the cycle along with increased levels of estrogen. This high level of hormone production is what triggers behavioral change in both males and females. This period of ovulation will be the prime of the rut. If implantation does not occur, the cycle will continue several more times. Whitetail deer along with other lower mammals go through an anestrus period which is a non reproductive period. The reason for the fall/winter breeding season of whitetail deer along with many other species is that the focus of the reproductive cycle is due to development periods. The optimal time to give birth for non humans would be to give birth in periods of plentiful food and low threat, which makes spring birth best. As for bucks, they are always ready for breeding due to the process of spermatogenisis. This process is simply the production of sperm within the testes. As I said before, the increased levels of LH and estrogen cause behavioral changes in both males and females. The bucks can smell when the doe is ovulation due to this hormone production which also stimulates him as well. This is when the time of copulation and fertiliztion occur. If a doe has not been breed the first time she will come in heat again after 28 days. Researchers have found that some does can go trough six to seven estrus cycles. However, most does are breed the first time around. |
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Post by catahecassa on Aug 26, 2010 13:20:44 GMT -5
BTW - the panfish spawn is based on weather, turbidity & surface temperature. AGAIN, moon phases affect activity AND behavior - but do NOT trigger the spawn.
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Post by hunter7x on Aug 26, 2010 13:25:29 GMT -5
LOL can we blame the new rule changes on this thread also!!! ??
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Post by Decatur on Aug 26, 2010 13:29:44 GMT -5
 Hunter7x! I can't wait until these rules are settled! Everybody is at each others throats, and I hate it! We should all be more worried about Woody's "Banning All Lead Ammo" post instead of all of this infighting. We are all outdoorsmen/women, and we need to focus on a common enemy. |
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Post by lugnutz on Aug 26, 2010 14:07:01 GMT -5
Depends on where you hunt, peak rut in Iowa will be different than peak rut in Georgia. If im not mistakin the same moon covers both states. Explain this.
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