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Post by js2397 on Jul 23, 2010 22:27:19 GMT -5
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Post by js2397 on Jul 23, 2010 22:33:13 GMT -5
Top link is about mule deer. From the article:
Restricting season length reduces hunter days in the field, but doesn't necessarily reduce buck harvest or improve buck:doe ratios.
Second article about whitetails in Minnesota.
Legislation passed in 2009 lengthened southeastern Minnesota's firearms deer season from seven to nine days. Cornicelli said the longer season remains in place for 2010 because it potentially increases the number of antlerless deer harvested, which helps manage deer populations.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 24, 2010 6:35:27 GMT -5
Wisconsin DNR was proposing going from a 9 day gun season to a 16 day season for herd magnagement until they caught all kinds of flack from the "organized hunting groups" and hunters that were not seeing as many deer as they thought that they should. The WDNR is now going to study the 2009 season results more closely, but I'll bet that they will be back with the 16 day proposal next year. See... www.nrahuntersrights.org/Article.aspx?id=2757
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 7:56:16 GMT -5
You could request info from Ky. or search the telechek records if you know how. www.kdfwr.state.ky.us/navigation.aspx?cid=559&navpath=C151Ky tried a two day doe only rifle hunt in Jan. that didn't result in a increase over what is normally killed on those days. Only lasted one year. Doe only hunts don't get much support. They have a 2 day either sex Oct. ML hunt that kills a few does. There is also a 2 day early rifle youth hunt that is either sex that kills a few does. Ky. opens archery season on the first weekend in Sept. and it results in a few does being killed over what was before it went there. Ky. also dropped the ball on crossbow expansion same as Ind. is doing and it is of very little help with killing more does When Ky. wanted to kill more does and more does in the harvest precentile, they added days and expanded bag limits in some counties. The Zone 1 counties...you can kill all you want for $12.50 each. Any county with more than 25 deer per sq. mile gets a Zone 1 classification.
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Post by js2397 on Jul 24, 2010 8:35:03 GMT -5
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Post by tenring on Jul 24, 2010 8:43:24 GMT -5
Was it last year or the year before that when there were multitudes of net posts that indicated the stick and string crowd didn't hunt much of the first 2 or 3 weeks of October because of the heat and insects? Was the deer kill down during that time period? Who wound up taking all those does that helped post another record kill for the state. Who was that? I don't recall, does anyone else?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 8:55:26 GMT -5
Any deer program manager will tell you that archery hunting is merely a form of recreation and not a herd management tool. It's proven every year on opening day of firearms season when more deer are killed in one day than with 4 months of archery season.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 24, 2010 9:15:47 GMT -5
Not this old country boy. Way down there it mentioned something about over a million dollars that deer hunters would be willing to spend for an additional day and there was some harvest benefit.. A poster on another site mistakenly said that Ohio tried a longer season and the kill went down. Not true. It did not go down. It went up 2%. Ohio decided that was not a significant enough percentage and did not go with a longer seoasn. I believe in the 2008 Ohio season they did extend it again for antlerless. Maybe just a weekend or two? I know Iowa got stuck with an emergency antlerless season tacked late on after bad weather screwed up ther regular short season. I know Dr. Mike Tonkovich in Ohio very well and have asked for clarification. I'll post it when I get it..
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Post by js2397 on Jul 24, 2010 10:06:04 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 24, 2010 10:31:54 GMT -5
Sound familiar? " The Deer Management Technical Assistance Group (DMTAG) consists of stakeholders with a vested interest in deer management in Florida. This team discussed the pros and cons of allowing crossbows during the archery season. The opinions of DMTAG members were split in regards to allowing crossbows during archery season on private lands but were overwhelmingly against allowing crossbows during archery season on public hunting areas. DMTAG members voiced concerns that increased hunting pressure during the archery season could result in the overharvest of the doe segment of the population."
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Post by tenring on Jul 24, 2010 11:41:09 GMT -5
I believe in the 2008 Ohio season they did extend it again for antlerless. Maybe just a weekend or two? I know Iowa got stuck with an emergency antlerless season tacked late on after bad weather screwed up ther regular short season. The only way to determine if bad weather really screwed up the harvest would be with Telecheck, and that would entail adding at least a 50 cent increase in the cost of the license to get it going in time for this boondoggle, meaning this year. Can you imagine the out cry is the price of a license was increased? Years ago when the Deer Classic was held at the Marion County fair grounds, I attend a seminar in the show ring and got around to asking one of the DNR bilogists about making a point restriction on the taking of the bucks. Wow, wrong question that was. Defensive mode put in gear, don't have the money nor manpower to "micro manage" the herd. This was when the sightings of deer on an average morning were at least 20 head, and this antler worshiping was just beginning to raise it ugly head. Oh, how these discussions bring back some details. And I have reservations that even with telecheck, an emergency season could be implemented fast enough to inform the general public to participate.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 24, 2010 11:54:04 GMT -5
I believe in the 2008 Ohio season they did extend it again for antlerless. Maybe just a weekend or two? I know Iowa got stuck with an emergency antlerless season tacked late on after bad weather screwed up ther regular short season. The only way to determine if bad weather really screwed up the harvest would be with Telecheck, and that would entail adding at least a 50 cent increase in the cost of the license to get it going in time for this boondoggle, meaning this year. Can you imagine the out cry is the price of a license was increased? Years ago when the Deer Classic was held at the Marion County fair grounds, I attend a seminar in the show ring and got around to asking one of the DNR bilogists about making a point restriction on the taking of the bucks. Wow, wrong question that was. Defensive mode put in gear, don't have the money nor manpower to "micro manage" the herd. This was when the sightings of deer on an average morning were at least 20 head, and this antler worshiping was just beginning to raise it ugly head. Oh, how these discussions bring back some details. And I have reservations that even with telecheck, an emergency season could be implemented fast enough to inform the general public to participate. Good point...The IDNR Director could issue an emergency ruling and get the October and December antleless hunts done this year. That would be a jump start IF these proposals were adopted next year. It would also give the IDNR some information on whether these antlerless only seasons will have any or enough herd reductiion impact or not. It also might appease Rep. Friend and his coharts.
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Post by tenring on Jul 24, 2010 12:20:11 GMT -5
Again I reference Mr. Friends letter stating that there seemed to be a problem in "Northern Indiana", so this created a problem in the rest of the state, or was this just a catalyst?
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Post by js2397 on Jul 24, 2010 21:52:16 GMT -5
www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/deer/2009DeerHarvestReport.htmlDeer harvest by month of season demonstrates this phenomenon (Figure 2). Although firearms seasons are not open in all parts of the state in late August and early September, relatively few deer are harvested during that time where the season is open. On the other hand, a disproportionately high number of deer are taken during October and November. October and November encompass the majority of the breeding season in South Carolina with over 80 percent of does conceiving during that period (Figure 3). Ultimately, timing of the season is a more important factor in determining deer harvest and quality hunting than the length of the season. Although South Carolina offers early opening seasons, there may be negative consequences as it relates to deer harvest. Hunters should understand that hunting pressure that builds prior to the breeding season can suppress daytime movements of deer during the breeding season when deer movements and hunter harvests should be greatest. SC says timing is most important and the majority of deer are killed in Oct. And Nov.. So by moving the season later less deer should be killed.
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Post by js2397 on Jul 24, 2010 21:53:23 GMT -5
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Post by js2397 on Jul 24, 2010 21:54:46 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 25, 2010 13:03:46 GMT -5
js2397,
You are doing some GREAT Research!
Hopeful the IDNR and the NRC are tuning in and reading them.
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Post by Decatur on Jul 25, 2010 13:55:08 GMT -5
Yes, thanks js2397!
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Post by js2397 on Jul 27, 2010 6:08:51 GMT -5
www.oklahomagameandfish.com/hunting/whitetail-deer-hunting/ok_aa124104a/ Other states where deer herds continue to grow have lengthened seasons and increased limits to curb that growth. That doesn't mean that, sometime in the future, seasons and/or limits may have to be restricted again if populations decline. But for now, the opportunities are expanding along with the deer herd.
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Post by js2397 on Jul 27, 2010 6:37:46 GMT -5
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