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Post by Ahawkeye on May 25, 2010 17:53:47 GMT -5
this whole deal is not about more bucks, better bucks or whatever, its about a 25 % deer reduction , Yes it is and if the DNR thinks that the hunters will or even want to shoot ab additional 150,000 or 175,00 thousand more deer than the 135,000 we already take thay must smoking crack at the office . The fact is that every hunter knows and don't want to say is bucks are deer to and do as much or more colateral damge as the does do they need thgind out just as bad as the Does do.without throwing more bucks in the mix some how the numbers will never move in large jumps of say 5,000 or10,000 more deer per year. True but with OBR bucks will be spared reguardless and does will be the target. I'm still in favor of OBR and I'm in favor of EAB I don't want to argue those points but the bucks will not be the main target untill the end of the 5 yr study period. I'd say the does have the cross hairs on them at this point. JMHO
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Post by deerman1 on May 25, 2010 17:58:48 GMT -5
Yes it is and if the DNR thinks that the hunters will or even want to shoot ab additional 150,000 or 175,00 thousand more deer than the 135,000 we already take thay must smoking crack at the office . The fact is that every hunter knows and don't want to say is bucks are deer to and do as much or more colateral damge as the does do they need thgind out just as bad as the Does do.without throwing more bucks in the mix some how the numbers will never move in large jumps of say 5,000 or10,000 more deer per year. True but with OBR bucks will be spared reguardless and does will be the target. I'm still in favor of OBR and I'm in favor of EAB I don't want to argue those points but the bucks will not be the main target untill the end of the 5 yr study period. I'd say the does have the cross hairs on them at this point. JMHO According to the DNR thier exact words were the deer herd must be reduced by 25% not the doe herd! We will see and I do not look for a buck change for a couple of years but it will come . EAB/OBR will and does do nothing but deture deer hunting and deer hunters and that is exactly by the words of the DNR "not what they want " Think about it if they were not worried about hunters satisfaction and hunter activity or hunters taking deer they would not of even offered a disscusion or survey!
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Post by Ahawkeye on May 25, 2010 18:04:17 GMT -5
True but with OBR bucks will be spared reguardless and does will be the target. I'm still in favor of OBR and I'm in favor of EAB I don't want to argue those points but the bucks will not be the main target untill the end of the 5 yr study period. I'd say the does have the cross hairs on them at this point. JMHO According to the DNR thier exact words were the deer herd must be reduced by 25% not the doe herd! We will see and I do not look for a buck change for a couple of years but it woll come and EAB/OBR will and does do nothing but deture deer hunting and deer hunters and that is exactly by the words of the DNR "not what they want " Think about it if they were not worried about hunters satisfaction and hunter activity or hunters taking deer they would not of even offered a disscusion or survey! I agree that the DNR said a 25% reduction in the deer herd but unless you recruit a whole bunch of hunters, the OBR will still protect the bucks. As for your statement about OBR /EAB you are entitled to your opinion I'm not beating that dead horse here.
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Post by vectrix on May 25, 2010 18:23:50 GMT -5
Those reasons I gave are some reasons to have the doe hunt in October. I care nothing of buck management so I am fine with you taking that point for the October doe hunt. I manage my land for the betterment of the entire herd. We shoot a lot of does, try to let young bucks walk, leave areas for fawning, and place minerals out to help get the does in the best health possible when it comes time to have fawns. I care nothing of buck management so I am fine with you taking that point for the October doe hunt try to let young bucks walk .....Ok I guess that makes sense? You want a stronger rut but you don't care about buck management? You don't care about bigger bucks but you pass young bucks on your property? But the Oct. gun season is a good idea because it just is
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Post by Woody Williams on May 25, 2010 18:25:41 GMT -5
True but with OBR bucks will be spared reguardless and does will be the target. I'm still in favor of OBR and I'm in favor of EAB I don't want to argue those points but the bucks will not be the main target untill the end of the 5 yr study period. I'd say the does have the cross hairs on them at this point. JMHO According to the DNR thier exact words were the deer herd must be reduced by 25% not the doe herd! The ONLY time that I have seen the "25% herd reduction" is in that newspaper article. I asked the reporter where she got that and she never answered me. Now MAYBE the IDNR said that to her, but I sure cant find it anywhere else. Anyone?
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Post by vectrix on May 25, 2010 18:26:10 GMT -5
According to the DNR thier exact words were the deer herd must be reduced by 25% not the doe herd! We will see and I do not look for a buck change for a couple of years but it woll come and EAB/OBR will and does do nothing but deture deer hunting and deer hunters and that is exactly by the words of the DNR "not what they want " Think about it if they were not worried about hunters satisfaction and hunter activity or hunters taking deer they would not of even offered a disscusion or survey! I agree that the DNR said a 25% reduction in the deer herd but unless you recruit a whole bunch of hunters, the OBR will still protect the bucks. As for your statement about OBR /EAB you are entitled to your opinion I'm not beating that dead horse here. Agreed dead horse.
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Post by HuntMeister on May 25, 2010 19:03:32 GMT -5
According to the DNR thier exact words were the deer herd must be reduced by 25% not the doe herd! The ONLY time that I have seen the "25% herd reduction" is in that newspaper article. I asked the reporter where she got that and she never answered me. Now MAYBE the IDNR said that to her, but I sure cant find it anywhere else. Anyone? Nope, cannot find that anywhere but in that one article. Makes no sense to me that they would say 25% when they admit they don't know how many deer we have.
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Post by deerman1 on May 25, 2010 19:51:40 GMT -5
According to the DNR thier exact words were the deer herd must be reduced by 25% not the doe herd! The ONLY time that I have seen the "25% herd reduction" is in that newspaper article. I asked the reporter where she got that and she never answered me. Now MAYBE the IDNR said that to her, but I sure cant find it anywhere else. Anyone? It was also in the star and the local paper here just two weeks ago According to the artical Chad Stewart said the 25% thing.
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Post by deerman1 on May 25, 2010 19:54:36 GMT -5
The ONLY time that I have seen the "25% herd reduction" is in that newspaper article. I asked the reporter where she got that and she never answered me. Now MAYBE the IDNR said that to her, but I sure cant find it anywhere else. Anyone? Nope, cannot find that anywhere but in that one article. Makes no sense to me that they would say 25% when they admit they don't know how many deer we have. They admit to having a very good Ida of how many deer we have just not publicizing the exact number ot causes less argument I mean they know that just printing the deer harvest they have people swear its wrong so what do you guys think would happen if they stuck a nuber on the deer herd here???!!?? !!
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Post by Decatur on May 25, 2010 19:56:27 GMT -5
I don't want them to publish the number, I'm sure if the insurance industry knew exactly how many deer we had, they would be a lot more vocal!
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Post by deerman1 on May 25, 2010 20:00:10 GMT -5
I don't want them to publish the number, I'm sure if the insurance industry knew exactly how many deer we had, they would be a lot more vocal! Yip exactly it will cause all kinds of stirs in this state.
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Post by HuntMeister on May 25, 2010 20:03:45 GMT -5
The ONLY time that I have seen the "25% herd reduction" is in that newspaper article. I asked the reporter where she got that and she never answered me. Now MAYBE the IDNR said that to her, but I sure cant find it anywhere else. Anyone? It was also in the star and the local paper here just two weeks ago According to the artical Chad Stewart said the 25% thing. I don't see the 25% number in the IndyStar article. Excluding the Bloomington article that originally provided this number, can you provide proof to this number in other news sources?
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Post by HuntMeister on May 25, 2010 20:05:59 GMT -5
I don't want them to publish the number, I'm sure if the insurance industry knew exactly how many deer we had, they would be a lot more vocal! Yip exactly it will cause all kinds of stirs in this state. C'mon fellas...with all due respect, isn't that like putting your head in the sand and hoping for the best? IMHO, you cannot manage what you cannot define.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 25, 2010 20:16:29 GMT -5
It was also in the star and the local paper here just two weeks ago According to the artical Chad Stewart said the 25% thing. I don't see the 25% number in the IndyStar article. Excluding the Bloomington article that originally provided this number, can you provide proof to this number in other news sources? Nope.. not in the IndyStar. Chad just said "to reduce the herd". No percentage attached to it. huntingindiana.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=deerhunting&thread=32329&page=1
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Post by Decatur on May 25, 2010 20:22:53 GMT -5
Yip exactly it will cause all kinds of stirs in this state. C'mon fellas...with all due respect, isn't that like putting your head in the sand and hoping for the best? IMHO, you cannot manage what you cannot define. I just said I didn't want the number published. I didn't say I didn't want the DNR to KNOW the number! My head is perfectly above ground thank you!
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Post by js2397 on May 26, 2010 7:16:33 GMT -5
Those reasons I gave are some reasons to have the doe hunt in October. I care nothing of buck management so I am fine with you taking that point for the October doe hunt. I manage my land for the betterment of the entire herd. We shoot a lot of does, try to let young bucks walk, leave areas for fawning, and place minerals out to help get the does in the best health possible when it comes time to have fawns. I care nothing of buck management so I am fine with you taking that point for the October doe hunt We try to let young bucks walk .....Ok I guess that makes sense? You want a stronger rut but you don't care about buck management? You don't care about bigger bucks but you pass young bucks on your property? But the Oct. gun season is a good idea because it just is We try to do the QDM deal but it is not about big bucks. QDM is a way to manage the deer for the best health of the herd. Big bucks is a side effect of QDM not the goal. Sort of like when you take a pill to help with allergies and it could cause vomiting.
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