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Post by racktracker on Apr 18, 2010 14:04:13 GMT -5
I didn't see any smoke, the benefits to the buck age structure were laid out there, sounds like sour grapes That is VERRRRY interesting -
Since you said, "were laid out there" does that mean that:
1) You are an IDNR employee?
2) You are a member of one of the organized groups that met with the IDNR?
2) You are a member of the gang of individuals that a certain hunting group individual leaked the plan to, even though he was not supposed to?
Enquiring minds would like to know.I don't guess freedom hunter is going to answer that question. Lots of dirty stuff going on.
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Post by racktracker on Apr 18, 2010 14:08:37 GMT -5
Greg,
Not too sure wher you are getting your information from, but if #3 is correct there will be an uprising of Indiana deer hunters like they have never seen before. They will be after some hide from somebody and anybody that had anything at all to do with that. What happened to your Earn A Buck prediction?
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Post by tenring on Apr 18, 2010 15:12:34 GMT -5
Now is this a "buck" plan, or a "deer" plan, seems to be two different sides to the same story.
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Post by deerman1 on Apr 18, 2010 16:05:08 GMT -5
Now is this a "buck" plan, or a "deer" plan, seems to be two different sides to the same story. OH don't you know by making it as hard as possible to as in hunt timing ,buck limits of one or less and limiting the taking of bucks by season that it will make hunters shoot all the does to satisfy the state. Also as an added plus for those who think that all the bucks in the state are theirs despite where they are currently standing belong to them it will cause hunters to eventually quit .Thus granting a small group of hunters here and there possession of all the bucks in the state to do with as they please since they could not control how many or the age of the bucks we as a whole took now well I suspect that they will get their way in some way ! IMHO if the state does not start offering up all the proposed changes they would like to see and allowing every hunter the chance to vote for the one that they want instead of allowing special interest groups to set the rules there will soon either be a drastic decline in hunter numbers or an all out cry for mutiny at the state level. It could be as simple as a pool type vote that can be cast by every hunter at the time of license purchase on the computer as an attachment to the license filling process. Once again just MHO .It would not cost anything and laws could be implemented the fallowing year and Ideas of change could be done via email and presentation at DNR regulatory meetings then the best and wide variety could go to vote . Then all voices could and should be heard.
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Post by racktracker on Apr 18, 2010 16:12:42 GMT -5
Now is this a "buck" plan, or a "deer" plan, seems to be two different sides to the same story. As White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said last November,"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before." This "serious crisis" of deer population management was used by the proponents of moving the gun season back and out of the rut as a golden opportunity to do things they "couldn't do before." That "move the gun season" would never stand on it's own. The knew that and jumped on this "crisis" with both feet. Unfortunately the IDNR fell for it hook, line and sinker. What will happen after a week of doe busting and then it is buck season? Three guesses and the frist two don't count. Every buck worth hs smarts will be holed up and nocturnal. Only bucks being killed then will be dumb butt yearlings and bucks that are jumped. Lot of fun hunting that way, ? I don't know about anyone else, but I will still be hunting with my bow since I'll still be able to kill a buck. Bowhunters got more of the rut with some doe killing drivers out there scaring up bucks for them. Once the gun hunters in this state find out what happened with this it will Katy bar the door. It will make the first OBR debates look like a Sunday School Picnic.
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Post by greghopper on Apr 18, 2010 16:18:37 GMT -5
Greg, Not too sure wher you are getting your information from, but if #3 is correct there will be an uprising of Indiana deer hunters like they have never seen before. They will be after some hide from somebody and anybody that had anything at all to do with that. What happened to your Earn A Buck prediction? Lets keep the cat in the Bag a few more days..... I don't start rumors, I spread them......
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Post by racktracker on Apr 18, 2010 16:23:44 GMT -5
Greg, Not too sure wher you are getting your information from, but if #3 is correct there will be an uprising of Indiana deer hunters like they have never seen before. They will be after some hide from somebody and anybody that had anything at all to do with that. What happened to your Earn A Buck prediction? Lets keep the cat in the Bag a few more days..... I don't start rumors, I spread them...... OK by me, but that will just throw some more salt in the gun hunter's wounds. When and if that happens I have a prediction that we will set a record killing of "Ghost Does" and one (borrowed) doe will be killed by 6 or 7 hunters. It will look good on paper, but that is about it.
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Post by deerman1 on Apr 18, 2010 17:38:51 GMT -5
I guarantee there will not be an EAB in Indiana for the first buck a hunter takes .I will say that with a high degree of certainty I will go as far to say the there will never be an EAB for the first buck anyways in our lifetime here unless the deer herd crosses into a emergency level and it far far from that every where. Besides that numbers of the hunters will need to go above the 500,000 plus mark and that is just not going to happen here in any of our life times.
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 19, 2010 4:35:30 GMT -5
I suggest we just wait and see what comes out; no point in getting excited until we know what is there.
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Post by js2397 on Apr 19, 2010 7:13:40 GMT -5
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Post by tenring on Apr 19, 2010 11:50:49 GMT -5
From what I gathered at the last get together on Saturday morning, gun hunting was the most efficient method of taking care of this "deer problem" [what ever that problem is] and that is seemingly what the DNR will be relieving on. May be wrong, but the May meeting will shed some light on this perceived dark problem.
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Post by tickman1961 on Apr 19, 2010 12:35:24 GMT -5
If there is a deer problem? Opening up crossbows to early bowseason sounds like a no brainer. My logic sees more ways to kill equals a greater number of hunters trying to kill equals more dead deer.
Expanding seasons you can use the crossbow makes sense period.
For the record - I do not own a crossbow!
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Post by indianahick on Apr 19, 2010 14:59:24 GMT -5
Crossbows might be an aide but as they do not have any more range than a high poundage compound the only advantage would be to get more older and younger hunters out there.
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Post by tickman1961 on Apr 20, 2010 8:30:23 GMT -5
Crossbows might be an aide but as they do not have any more range than a high poundage compound the only advantage would be to get more older and younger hunters out there. Exactly, no crossbow can compare with a quality compound bow. The crossbow is a short range weapon with a short bolt compared to the long arrow on a compound bow. The object is to get more people involved which may lead to more dead deer.
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 20, 2010 8:42:19 GMT -5
The other issue that they have no control over but that is a big issue for more than 1 person is a place to hunt.
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