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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 29, 2010 19:37:28 GMT -5
I have noticed we debate a lot about how best to punish poachers. While I agree that penalties could be stiffer-- particularly for REPEAT offenders-- I feel that perhaps we can do the best to fight poaching by striving to impress upon youngsters that poaching any deer is wrong, and that hunting is not about antlers, or killing the most or the biggest deer; rather that it is about hunting with respect for the law, the land, and the animal. What say you?
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Post by deerman1 on Mar 29, 2010 20:17:14 GMT -5
One of the biggest anti poaching tools we could get would be the abolishment of any and all spotlighting of deer during an open deer season for any reason from the road or a vehicle of any type . The most strict proactive states already do this with great success . I mean a $1000.00 fine for spotlighting a deer in season would put a real damper on most poaching my book . Also stiffer poaching fines when the poach was blatant not some HO violation or wrong license or a few minute discrepancy with a CO over legal shooting light those things happen to good people but wrong weapon,spotlighting ,road hunting ,and trespassing and shooting a deer should be a big big fine and a 5 year loss of all hunting privileges Nation wide not just state wife on the loss of hunting rights.
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Post by Decatur on Mar 29, 2010 22:39:33 GMT -5
Other...all of the above!
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Post by trapperdave on Mar 29, 2010 23:19:43 GMT -5
PUBLIC HUMILIATION!
Post their names and pics for all to see,,,and leave em posted. The "wall of shame" tops ANY other punishment IMO
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Post by drs on Mar 30, 2010 6:57:39 GMT -5
States get tough on poachers | PHIL POTTER COLUMN By Phil Potter
Sunday, March 28, 2010
If you think poaching isn't being taken seriously, you'd better think again.
Due to a national spate of illegal hunting and fishing crimes, 32 states have banded together to form a consortium which denies any convicted poacher the right to hunt or fish in any of those states for as long as he is banned in one.
While big game is usually the targeted species, small game also gets illegally whacked. Technically, if you get convicted for small game violations in Indiana you will be denied the right to hunt any small or big game species in Wyoming, Alaska, Colorado, Illinois, Kentucky or any of the other 26 consortium states.
During your hunting rights suspension, you cannot enter into any license lottery or accumulate preference points for special hunts. Western states have some of the most dogged enforcement, but some of this e-muscle is trickling eastward with the Internet.
Along with fines, game animal/bird replacement costs, court costs and possible jail time the specter of not being able to hunt hangs over all poachers.
Unlike Indiana, where juvenile violators usually go unpunished, consortium states like Wyoming exact convictions against violators of any age. Wyoming's youngest prosecution was against a 15 year old who rigged his truck with heavy duty bumpers in order to deliberately run over two mule deer grazing inside a city cemetery. He paid a $500 fine, got 40 hours of community service work and a one-year hunting license suspension.
Kids aren't the only ones who do wildlife crimes because poachers as old as 89 have been caught and fined. However, 50 percent of the hardcore violators being cyber tracked were born in the 1960s and '70s, proving hunting ethics may have hit a low point in these age groups. With Tri-State turkey seasons about to start this is a good time to "drop a dime on wildlife crime."
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 30, 2010 7:50:51 GMT -5
PUBLIC HUMILIATION! Post their names and pics for all to see,,,and leave em posted. The "wall of shame" tops ANY other punishment IMO I agree...
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Post by catahecassa on Mar 30, 2010 9:07:30 GMT -5
Up the $$ penalties, confiscation, Increase the Jailtime, revoke hunting rights, AND add community service on public hunting lands.
BTW - DEFINITELY do not want these POS mentoring kids!!!!!!!!!
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 30, 2010 9:17:02 GMT -5
How about reserve CO's like the police departments use for after normal business hours & weekends....
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Post by tickman1961 on Mar 30, 2010 9:30:14 GMT -5
Taking away the right to hunt from a poacher is useless considering game laws mean nothing to them anyway.
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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 30, 2010 10:16:30 GMT -5
Up the $$ penalties, confiscation, Increase the Jailtime, revoke hunting rights, AND add community service on public hunting lands. BTW - DEFINITELY do not want these POS mentoring kids!!!!!!!!! That is why I picked the "mentoring" solution. I think the best way to stop poaching is for responsible hunters to firmly root the notion of hunting ethics in young Outdoorsmen.
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Post by ridgerunner on Mar 30, 2010 11:11:10 GMT -5
First of all the CO's need to actually be proactive in hunting these guys down..instead of waiting on a call from someone reporting poachers..In illinois on my lease the Garme Warden stops and check us and everyone else hunting in the area every year, check license's, guns,ask questions etc...(ie.proactive)..
I've hunted Indiana 30 years and have never been checked by a Game Warden...Never!...The only time they do check is when they get a report, and then half the time they don't follow through...Tresspassing complaints are a joke...I've called many times, and they show up three hours later, if at all...
When they do stumble on/catch a poacher, the prosecutor needs to follow through and make sure the individuals get punished, most time they don't...there need to be Manditory sentence's for poacher's and tresspasser's...We aslo need more Game Warden's per county, there is no way one person can do an effective job enforcing game laws in alot of our County's in Indiana...No way you can stop it in Indiana..99% of poachers likely go un noticed because we don't have enough CO's per county to even make a small dent in poaching..They might catch 1% of em..
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Post by HuntMeister on Mar 30, 2010 11:46:07 GMT -5
I had to go other, with all of the above being my answer, hit them with everything you can.
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Post by drs on Mar 30, 2010 12:09:32 GMT -5
Taking away the right to hunt from a poacher is useless considering game laws mean nothing to them anyway. I disagree. Not only take away their hunting, but also ALL equipment they would use to commit this crime of poaching. Also stamp something like "Not legally allowed to buy hunting licenses or hunting equipment" on their driver's licenses.
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Post by ridgerunner on Mar 30, 2010 15:05:07 GMT -5
Taking away the right to hunt from a poacher is useless considering game laws mean nothing to them anyway. I disagree. Not only take away their hunting, but also ALL equipment they would use to commit this crime of poaching. Also stamp something like "Not legally allowed to buy hunting licenses or hunting equipment" on their driver's licenses. Good idea. I like it. Label them a poacher, put it on their license, have a sex offender like site where people can go to see who the POS poaching scumbags are....I agree with all of the above..Too bad some of us aren't the ones enforcing the law....We might get it done..
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Post by throbak on Mar 30, 2010 15:27:38 GMT -5
simple take away there LIGHT if a light is shining a field your breaking the law , no looking for guns or any thing else YOUR BUSTED 90% of poaching is done at night with a spot light simple take away the LIGHT AT NIGHT
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Post by tickman1961 on Mar 30, 2010 15:55:02 GMT -5
Taking away the right to hunt from a poacher is useless considering game laws mean nothing to them anyway. I disagree. Not only take away their hunting, but also ALL equipment they would use to commit this crime of poaching. Also stamp something like "Not legally allowed to buy hunting licenses or hunting equipment" on their driver's licenses. Really, then obviosly the fact nobody in Chicago can own a gun keeps the gangbangers and criminals from obtaining them. Meaningless regulation, poachers don't buy hunting license to begin with, are we that naive?
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Post by HuntMeister on Mar 30, 2010 17:13:08 GMT -5
I disagree. Not only take away their hunting, but also ALL equipment they would use to commit this crime of poaching. Also stamp something like "Not legally allowed to buy hunting licenses or hunting equipment" on their driver's licenses. Really, then obviosly the fact nobody in Chicago can own a gun keeps the gangbangers and criminals from obtaining them. Meaningless regulation, poachers don't buy hunting license to begin with, are we that naive? tickman, I hear what you are saying about poachers and licenses but if something was posted on their ID and a law enforcement officer of any kind stopped the individual it would be pretty quick and easy to verify a violation.
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Post by ridgerunner on Mar 30, 2010 17:48:42 GMT -5
simple take away there LIGHT if a light is shining a field your breaking the law , no looking for guns or any thing else YOUR BUSTED 90% of poaching is done at night with a spot light simple take away the LIGHT AT NIGHT Well I hate to tell ya, but probably the biggest part of poaching takes place during daylight, legal hunting hours, by people you probably see everyday..Party hunting , having thier wife, son, daughter tag deer they shot, tresspassing on land and shooting animals, shooting mulitple deer, turkey, rabbit, geese, catching over thier limit of bass etc. etc. etc....Don't need a light to be a poacher son..
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Post by deerman1 on Mar 30, 2010 18:02:35 GMT -5
simple take away there LIGHT if a light is shining a field your breaking the law , no looking for guns or any thing else YOUR BUSTED 90% of poaching is done at night with a spot light simple take away the LIGHT AT NIGHT Well I hate to tell ya, but probably the biggest part of poaching takes place during daylight, legal hunting hours, by people you probably see everyday..Party hunting , having thier wife, son, daughter tag deer they shot, tresspassing on land and shooting animals, shooting mulitple deer, turkey, rabbit, geese, catching over thier limit of bass etc. etc. etc....Don't need a light to be a poacher son.. Sorry but we were refering ti deer poachers and to be honest the method of poaching is as varied as hunters but is usually determined by the amount of human activity and amount of cover in a given area . In areas like north central indiana the wood lots are sparce and lots of houses and farms with tons of other hunters and just plain old eyes watching hunters . So tresspassing /poaching is very rare up through here but with the cover of nite durring season the lights come out by the hundreds up here and almost all poaching busts up here are from the road i.e. road hunters getting caught shooting decoys or real deer on camera or the most pravalent is spotlighting as all normal people are asleep and the nite covers thier dirty deeds and the are rarely seen since there is not one road up here with out houses or farms . I would guess the big woods areas of southern Indiana see more varried ways such as tresspassing and party hunting. It is just way way too easy to get caught up here by every hunter in the area doing those type things way way too many eyes up here. I still say stop all shineing durring open deer season and watch the number of big bucks taken drop all over the state.
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Post by ridgerunner on Mar 30, 2010 19:04:26 GMT -5
Well I hate to tell ya, but probably the biggest part of poaching takes place during daylight, legal hunting hours, by people you probably see everyday..Party hunting , having thier wife, son, daughter tag deer they shot, tresspassing on land and shooting animals, shooting mulitple deer, turkey, rabbit, geese, catching over thier limit of bass etc. etc. etc....Don't need a light to be a poacher son.. Sorry but we were refering ti deer poachers and to be honest the method of poaching is as varied as hunters but is usually determined by the amount of human activity and amount of cover in a given area . In areas like north central indiana the wood lots are sparce and lots of houses and farms with tons of other hunters and just plain old eyes watching hunters . So tresspassing /poaching is very rare up through here but with the cover of nite durring season the lights come out by the hundreds up here and almost all poaching busts up here are from the road i.e. road hunters getting caught shooting decoys or real deer on camera or the most pravalent is spotlighting as all normal people are asleep and the nite covers thier dirty deeds and the are rarely seen since there is not one road up here with out houses or farms . I would guess the big woods areas of southern Indiana see more varried ways such as tresspassing and party hunting. It is just way way too easy to get caught up here by every hunter in the area doing those type things way way too many eyes up here. I still say stop all shineing durring open deer season and watch the number of big bucks taken drop all over the state. I got some ocean front property for sale in Arizona too...Party Hunting goes on everywhere in the State it's not specific to one region or another...It's all over, don't kid yourself.
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