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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 10, 2008 12:39:36 GMT -5
Interesting ifnormation on the Indiana nuisance deer permits kills.
The total sum of deer harvested on depredation permits reported from district biologists in 2007 was 2,181.
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Post by tenring on Mar 10, 2008 15:54:58 GMT -5
Is there a link to show how it was county by county?
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 10, 2008 16:02:03 GMT -5
Is there a link to show how it was county by county? I only asked for a number, not by counties. Sorry...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 16:12:35 GMT -5
2 thousand statewide isn't enough to get excited about. It's a non-issue as far as effecting anyone elses deer hunting during season.
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Post by jkd on Mar 11, 2008 16:05:26 GMT -5
Timex - the issues in the past has been how these deer were disposed of, and whether these same farmers had allowed/denied access to hunters during the regular seasons.
I've heard from several sources in different locations in the state about depredation deer being left to rot or just buried. When DAC discussed this, the feeling was that depredation deer should be handled the same as deer harvested during the regular season and that the wanton waste reg should apply. Suggestion was also made for an alternative that would require farmers to work with IDNR to bring in hunters on a draw basis to hunt these properties during the regular season, and those hunters not be bound by regular bag limits, i.e. the depredation deer would not count towards their regular season limits.
Forgot too, that there was an issue of killing does in early summer when they still were nursing fawns.
2,000+ deer would match or exceed the harvest for most counties in the state, so that's enough to get me excited about a different approach...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 16:37:18 GMT -5
Doubt that Indiana wants or needs a wanton waste law to insure that deer killed on these permits are used for human consumption? I'd guess that most people do use them, except the few that are killed by farmers that don't have time to use them. Not a lot different than requiring a motorist that just hit one to take it in for processing.
As for wanton waste, those type of deals often lessen the deer harvest. Lot's of hunter only use choice cuts and leave the ribs, briskets, and necks to the yotes.
Doubt that REQUIRING farmer to allow hunting during normal seasons will be real popular with most farmers. Might reduce the amount of private land available instead of increase it.
As for not counting dep tags against a season limit, good idea. y. does this with unlimited does in high population areas. But not all depredation is in high pop areas.
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Post by old3arrows on Mar 11, 2008 17:44:40 GMT -5
I harvested a doe a few years back in June when she had been nursing does and will not do it again!!!!! If you butcher your own deer you will understand why. The meat reeks of a strong ammonia smell and is unfit to eat, so I will never do it again. The only way I can describe it is the way a brand new black magic marker smells when you first pull off the cap. I will not process a road kill doe either from May to September. The only way I would help a farmer or land owner out is in season when the fawns stand a chance to survive without their mothers and are weened. I could understand why the meat would be dumped and maybe it should be donated to feed the hungry. If they can get past the smell! ;D
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Post by bschwein on Mar 13, 2008 8:38:15 GMT -5
I know this is probably a really small percentage of people but I've heard of a few guys around here that will just gut shoot the deer with a rifle so they will run off and die out of site. That way they still have there tag so they can go back out and shoot another one and do the same thing.
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Post by RiverJim on Mar 14, 2008 5:41:41 GMT -5
Well here's a good side to this........... The good Christian folks that do our pest control get dep tags from/for local farmers and eat or donate the meat to the needy. Last year we just happen to catch them when they were getting ready (cleaning out the freezer) for a big gospil/bluegrass camp/festival thing they do each year and we wound up with a fresh deer, some elk jerkey and a bunch of fish fillets!!!!!
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Post by quikfire on Mar 16, 2008 18:52:35 GMT -5
I hunt in Orange co and the farmer that lets me and my boys hunt his land told me about the farmer down the road shooting 145 deer in one summer. He told me that they gut shot them so they would run off and die out of this feilds, and the smell was overwhelming.
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Post by tenring on Mar 16, 2008 19:08:14 GMT -5
I hunt in Orange co and the farmer that lets me and my boys hunt his land told me about the farmer down the road shooting 145 deer in one summer. He told me that they gut shot them so they would run off and die out of this feilds, and the smell was overwhelming. And what did the local CO have to say about this?
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Post by trapperdave on Mar 17, 2008 7:47:49 GMT -5
I harvested a doe a few years back in June when she had been nursing does and will not do it again!!!!! If you butcher your own deer you will understand why. The meat reeks of a strong ammonia smell and is unfit to eat, so I will never do it again. The only way I can describe it is the way a brand new black magic marker smells when you first pull off the cap. I will not process a road kill doe either from May to September. The only way I would help a farmer or land owner out is in season when the fawns stand a chance to survive without their mothers and are weened. I could understand why the meat would be dumped and maybe it should be donated to feed the hungry. If they can get past the smell! ;D me thinks you done something wrong, time of year has nothing to do with edibility of an animal, just have to move quick in the heat.
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Post by old3arrows on Mar 17, 2008 8:23:46 GMT -5
Me thinks I know enough about butchering to tell when a critter is fit to eat or not!!!!!! I've got a few hundred processed over the years, and I don't mess around with getting an animal cooled out especially in warm weather.
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Post by trapperdave on Mar 17, 2008 10:06:15 GMT -5
so tell this ole country boy what is biologically different in a whitetail in october verses december verses july?
Either the meat spoiled, something was ruptured during the butchering or when the animal was harvested.
A June deer is as edible as one taken Thanksgiving Day, all else being equal.
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Post by old3arrows on Mar 17, 2008 11:53:16 GMT -5
My original post on this matter was just stating my personal experience and how I will handle a similar situation in the future. I will not harvest or butcher a deer in the Spring or Summer. I guess you had to be there, but I handled the deer personally and nothing was spoiled or ruptured in the gutting process. The doe had fawns but the milk sack was not busted nor any milk spilled on to the meat. The deer went from on the hoof, gutted, skinned, quartered, and in the cooler without messing around. I started with the loins first cutting steaks and moved to the hams with the same results all of the meat had a strong ammonia smell. And yes I do have my own butcher shop set up to do deer and hogs so I know what I'm doing. I'm not a biologist nor did I see the need to call one, but I wouldn't eat it or give it to anyone else to eat. I'm very picky about processing! That doe went to the bone barrel. The same way with road kills that are all tore up. If a guy brings one to me or I stop to check one out and the gut bag is busted or the shoulders and hams are like mush forget it. I hate seeing a deer go to waste, but sometimes your better off than either making somebody sick or turning someone off from eating it because of the smell, texture, or biting in to grill or headlight parts. Enough said from me on this topic! ;D
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Post by dadfsr on Mar 17, 2008 12:09:30 GMT -5
3arrows- after butchering a number of deer (and a hog or two)over the years I think that I'm probably in about the same category as you on knowledge and capabilities. I also used to live right next to a major deer crossing on a state highway and did quite a few deer from roadkills in the off season. I can't say as I ever had one that smelled like you are describing and agree that if I did have one like that it wouldn't even be coyote food because it would have been buried. I wonder what was going on with it...maybe a call to one of our deer biologist might shed some light on it. Either way you made the right decision. Danf called last year after he had trailed a doe for quite awhile and asked about if the meat would still be good-my first response was-"smell it" if it doesn't smell like fresh meat then it won't taste like fresh meat either.
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Post by quikfire on Mar 17, 2008 16:16:55 GMT -5
Tenring, the owner of the land i hunt talked to the co and he told him that the guy would no longer be able to get the tags. Really put a hurt on the deer around that area.
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Post by bullseye on Mar 18, 2008 12:41:00 GMT -5
I shot 3 deer with depredation permits last summer. The landowner must list who the shooters will be when he is issued the permits. He is also given metal tags to be put on the deer and paperwork to fill out like a check statiion. Then a paper must be filled out stating the name and address of the person who has the processed deer in the freezer. All this then needs to be turned back in to the DNR. The landowner also has to call the DNR and report a kill within 24 hours.
I do not think that people who are gut shooting deer, or leaving them lay are probably using depredation permits, they are just poaching. It is a lot of work to do it right.
The three I shot were in August, they smelled and tasted just fine.
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Post by single_shooter on Mar 19, 2008 21:18:25 GMT -5
In response to JKD's post about the state having farmers open their land to hunters on a draw system.
As a land owner I can tell you that if the state told me that the only way we would get depredation tags was to allow hunters we don't know onto our land to hunt....we would NEVER get the tags.
I hear WAAAAYYYYY too many of those "put some lead in the air" idiots every year on opening wekend ripping off 4-6 shots at a deer...not my idea of a safe and harmonious hunting place for anyone.
Sorry, but I believe that such a plan would kill ANY depredation tags in this area as well as many others. We have way too much money in horses and cattle to put them at risk of people we have no knowledge of as far as safety and hunting knowledge. We have all met those fellas who can talk a good game, but have stepped into a woods with a gun maybe once or twice...
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Post by gillgrabber on Mar 21, 2008 7:23:12 GMT -5
I work for a municipality in Illinois which has been obtaining IL DNR culling permits for around 12 years now. We're not allowed to keep ANYTHING from the deer - no meat, the liver, heart, feet, pelts, antlers - nothing. The deer goes to the butcher where it is ground into 2 lb packages and all the meat is donated to a charity or food pantry. I guess the program is much easier to sell to the anti-hunters that way.
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