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Post by Rick Lyon on Feb 26, 2008 10:05:51 GMT -5
I just really have a hard time imagining why anyone would want to limit someone else's opportunities. That's a long list....greed, jealousy, to try to feel better about ones inabilities...et al. Most that supported OBR weren't killing big deer.......and what a surprise, they still aren't. Oh, maybe they are killing a 130" buck here are there.....but most decent hunters have been passing that size deer for 10-15 or so years now since they are somewhat plentiful.
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Post by js2397 on Feb 27, 2008 12:31:19 GMT -5
Here are the real facts. I included the top ten book buck states. If you go to their dnr websites you can find a listing of all the seasons. I did not include the youth seasons in these dates. Wisconsin 24-42 days of firearms hunting. Illinois 17 day of firearms hunting. Iowa 60 days of firearms hunting. Ohio 14 days of firearms hunting. Minnesota 40 days of firearms hunting. Kansas 42 days of firearms hunting. Texas 78 days of firearms hunting. Missouri 30 days of firearms hunting. Michigan 48 days of firearms season Indiana 32 days of firearms hunting.
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Post by js2397 on Feb 28, 2008 10:26:46 GMT -5
I guess the argument that says Indiana has too many firearms days is not a good one. There are only three states in the top ten that hunt less with firearms. If it is hard for Illinois and Ohio to control trespassing in their short season I fell sorry for the CO's in Iowa and Texas.
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Post by js2397 on Feb 29, 2008 11:17:16 GMT -5
I have collected the number of firearms days for different states. This list is the greatest number of days which may vary by zone. It also includes antlerless and resident only seasons. According to my newly acquired information residents and antlerless only hunters do not trespass or commit other game violations so it is not fair to compare them to Indiana but I will do so anyway.
Alabama: 60
Connecticut: 61
Delaware: 55
Florida: 81
Georgia: 95
Idaho: 53
Louisiana: 86
Maine: 40
Maryland: 41
Massachusetts: 31
Mississippi: 70
Montana: 77
Nebraska: 48
New Hampshire: 38
New Jersey: 110
New York: 58
North Carolina: 87
North Dakota: 34
Oklahoma: 31
Pennsylvania: 42
Rhode Island: 44
South Carolina: 93
South Dakota: 85
Tennessee: 43
Vermont: 25
Virginia: 57
West Virginia: 29
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Post by mrfixit on Feb 29, 2008 17:01:33 GMT -5
After seeing how many other days afield people in other states get to use their firearms to hunt deer I think we deserve more days, not less ;D.
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Post by budfields on Mar 4, 2008 9:40:05 GMT -5
I just HATE it when a few people try to convince me to surrender the amount of time I have for deer hunting... I say LEAVE THE SEASONS ALONE and allow the hunter to either hunt as many or as few days as they desire... DON'T MAKE EVERYONE give up hunting opportunities.
If a hunter wants to shoot just ONE BUCK PER YEAR, then do so.. IF that hunter wants to shoot a doe.. do so.
I worked my life away in a factory for 35 years and I now have the time to go deer hunting as much as I want too.. DON'T TELL ME I NEED TO BE HUNTING LESS just so a few others can have more opportunities to hunt unpressured MONSTER BUCKS...
LEAVE THE HUNTING SEASONS AS IS!!! DON'T take opportunities away from us OL' HUNTERS and the younger generation. (Not trying to be offensive folks, just stating my opinion..)
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Post by turkeyscout on Mar 4, 2008 14:49:20 GMT -5
..... well said budfields, i feel the same way!!!! LEAVE THE SEASONS ALONE!!!!!!.........THANKS..........TAKE A YOUNGSTER ON YOUR NEXT OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE....turkey scout
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 4, 2008 17:46:25 GMT -5
Todays young hunters are going to want more opportunities at bigger bucks after a couple of years of hunting. Working at a factory for years or being just plain old doesn't qualify you to make decisions for them. What you going to tell them, go to Illinois? I know plenty of old hunters that would love to see the season stucture change, they have a ton of money and work in their properties, fyi. You are discounting the influence of this group of hunters.
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Post by budfields on Mar 4, 2008 19:08:41 GMT -5
Not trying to "make decisions for the younger hunter.." just don't want a select group of people making decisions for me.. I am living with the OBR now and I hated that decision as well just don't want the same group advocating less hunting opportunities.
I have NEVER advocated that any "Hoosier" hunter leave this state for deer hunting. Doggone decent hunting opportunties abound here it is just some folks having trouble finding their monster bucks and need special help from the "Powers That Be" to help them make their quests easier..
I have NEVER discounted the influence of ANY hunting group. I have seen too many things "given up" and at one time, I only feared the "NON-HUNTING GROUPS" now, we have groups opn both sides of the fence.
All I say is LEAVE THE SEASONS AS THEY ARE.. We need not fight amongst ourself with all the efforts of other special interest groups trying to get our hunting rights taken away.
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Post by lugnutz on Mar 4, 2008 20:40:22 GMT -5
don't matter if ya hunted 365 days a year, your only gonna kill one buck.
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Post by hornharvester on Mar 4, 2008 20:53:01 GMT -5
Not trying to "make decisions for the younger hunter.." just don't want a select group of people making decisions for me.. I am living with the OBR now and I hated that decision as well just don't want the same group advocating less hunting opportunities. I have NEVER advocated that any "Hoosier" hunter leave this state for deer hunting. Doggone decent hunting opportunties abound here it is just some folks having trouble finding their monster bucks and need special help from the "Powers That Be" to help them make their quests easier.. I have NEVER discounted the influence of ANY hunting group. I have seen too many things "given up" and at one time, I only feared the "NON-HUNTING GROUPS" now, we have groups opn both sides of the fence. All I say is LEAVE THE SEASONS AS THEY ARE.. We need not fight amongst ourself with all the efforts of other special interest groups trying to get our hunting rights taken away. Bud, Your point of view is always welcomed here and you made very good points! h.h.
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Post by duff on Mar 4, 2008 22:17:40 GMT -5
don't matter if ya hunted 365 days a year, your only gonna kill one buck. I could a legally killed 5 this year if I would have participated in every special hunt I was drawn for. And there were a few that I didn't get drawn for and I don't hunt urban ground either so that gives me the potential for even more bucks next season. As it was I didn't see a buck in range worth shooting
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Post by cambygsp on Mar 5, 2008 5:37:53 GMT -5
don't matter if ya hunted 365 days a year, your only gonna kill one buck. I didn't think Don was proposing killing less buck deer, I thought he said by shortening the gun days we would kill more deer?.....lol My question is, since Don was lumping modern firearms and muzzleloaders into one season, would Don be happy with one week of muzzleloader in December and one week of muzzleloader in October? That would eliminate one week of gun hunting.......and all those trespassers would quit trespassing!!!......(right!) The more I think about Don's write up the more it pi$$es me off! I just don't understand how any committed deer hunter could propose cutting hunting opportunities to address an illegal activity. I could better accept Don's little story if the purpose was to produce all these monster buck deer that everyone wants.........but to say "hey, someone is breaking the law, lets cut back on hunting days to address that problem" is just plain bulls!it. Kind of falls in line with "lets take guns away from law abiding citizens to end crime".............. I just don't get it!
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 5, 2008 7:14:35 GMT -5
Excellent post bud!
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Post by hornharvester on Mar 5, 2008 9:08:26 GMT -5
[quote author=cambygsp board=deerhunting thread=1203887294 post=1204713473.[/quote]
the purpose was to produce all these monster buck deer that everyone wants [/quote]
cambygps,
I you read between the lines that sentence pretty much hits the nail on the head....h.h.
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Post by duff on Mar 6, 2008 5:50:36 GMT -5
don't matter if ya hunted 365 days a year, your only gonna kill one buck. I didn't think Don was proposing killing less buck deer, I thought he said by shortening the gun days we would kill more deer?.....lol My question is, since Don was lumping modern firearms and muzzleloaders into one season, would Don be happy with one week of muzzleloader in December and one week of muzzleloader in October? That would eliminate one week of gun hunting.......and all those trespassers would quit trespassing!!!......(right!) The more I think about Don's write up the more it pi$$es me off! I just don't understand how any committed deer hunter could propose cutting hunting opportunities to address an illegal activity. I could better accept Don's little story if the purpose was to produce all these monster buck deer that everyone wants.........but to say "hey, someone is breaking the law, lets cut back on hunting days to address that problem" is just plain bulls!it. Kind of falls in line with "lets take guns away from law abiding citizens to end crime".............. I just don't get it! Camby, that is my exact intrepretation of his article. It is the same tactic that closed duck hunting on Geist in 2005, same tactic that attempted the marion County firearms ban, same tactic that attempted restricting hunting on rivers in Indiana...
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 6, 2008 19:17:36 GMT -5
WW - Camby had posted this prior to Duff's post.
Something happened in the formatting and the post was way off cenetr.
To correct it, I had to delete Camby's post and repost it here.
Soprry for any confusion.. the purpose was to produce all these monster buck deer that everyone wants cambygps, I you read between the lines that sentence pretty much hits the nail on the head....h.h.[/quote] So your saying that Don's agenda is really not to harvest MORE deer (by shortening the season), but to produce more trophy class buck deer (by shortening the season)...... , I never made the connection. I was under the impression that the OBR was the savior to Indiana's deer herd. Lots of hunting opportunity with a one buck limit would create more selective deer hunters and increase the size of the average Indiana buck deer. Wouldn't a shorter season make the hunter LESS selective?......and therefore be counter productive to the OBR?.....AND......I thought EVERYONE had already agreed that we needed 5 more years of OBR WITH NO OTHER CHANGES IN THE DEER SEASON, LICENSE OR STRUCTURE, to really see if the OBR has any affect on the deer herd. Isn't that what the OBR supporters wanted? I'm confused!
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 6, 2008 19:25:40 GMT -5
TESTING 1, 2, 3 , 4....
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