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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2009 22:02:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure either but what I think he (freedomhunter)was saying is they are coming to Indiana due to the fact that indiana has a gun season during prime rut vs other states. Makes it easy to sell hunts as there is a much better chance to knock a few down. Imagine having the option to hunt with firearms Nov 14th in Illinois, wow! You think they kill some big ones now!!!! people say that illonois does not gun hunt the rut but that is totally b s. this year for an example me and timex seen a boone and crockett buck bird dog a doe across a wide open corn field on opening morning. the next day he got video of two other nice bucks in the other end of this same field. one bedded down with his mistress and the other bird dogging one across the field both on the same footage. if thats not rutting activity i dont know what is. |
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Post by featherduster on Dec 29, 2009 6:19:46 GMT -5
Questions: does the state of Illinois allow as many does to be killed as Indiana.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 29, 2009 8:50:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure either but what I think he (freedomhunter)was saying is they are coming to Indiana due to the fact that indiana has a gun season during prime rut vs other states. Makes it easy to sell hunts as there is a much better chance to knock a few down. Imagine having the option to hunt with firearms Nov 14th in Illinois, wow! You think they kill some big ones now!!!! people say that illonois does not gun hunt the rut but that is totally b s. this year for an example me and timex seen a boone and crockett buck bird dog a doe across a wide open corn field on opening morning. the next day he got video of two other nice bucks in the other end of this same field. one bedded down with his mistress and the other bird dogging one across the field both on the same footage. if thats not rutting activity i dont know what is. Ok, let me re-phrase that, Illinois does not have firearms during the classic dates known as peak rut. I have seen bucks chasing well into Dec. also. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 10:19:32 GMT -5
Illinois does hunt the rut...period. Bucks can be seen chasing and mounting does during the first segment every year. Maybe it's because Illinois manges for more deer per acre and that there are more does there than in most states BUT anyone who says they don't hunt the peak of the rut hasn't hunted there.
Illinois sells doe permits cheap enough that you can kill your limit without breaking the bank, unlike Indiana. In Ill. I could kill 6 for the same price as one in Indiana.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 29, 2009 14:51:17 GMT -5
Nice, how does that exactly work for does? I saw that they have a late antlerless season? I guess by "rut" I am speaking of days in Nov. with a firearm. I think herd size and management all equates to the better buck hatvest that occurs there. I just don't think of Dec. as peak of rut where I hunt, but I don't hunt Ill either. In my neck of the woods the best rut days typically for me are the first week of Nov.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 15:01:17 GMT -5
The peak of the rut in Illinois is the same as any other state give or take a few days based on latitude. The southern portion may be a tad later than the northern portion, but it's still centers on a day in Nov., most of the time before the 15th. The second peak would be 28 days later.
You see good buck action in the 1st week of Nov. because the rut hasn't peaked yet then. The bucks are chasing then. The peak is a breeding period, when most of the does are breed.
Illinois, just like most other states still look for ways to kill more does, but seem to be holding their own for now.
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Post by indianahick on Dec 29, 2009 20:32:51 GMT -5
Maybe it is just me and the fact that I enjoy and love Indiana's firearms season. But when I look at a state like Ill I look to see what kind of what I call junk season's that they have. Indiana runs archery until Jan 3, 2010. Ill has a firearms from Dec 31 to Jan 3, 2010 then turns around and has another from Jan 15 to 17. My personal feeling there is they are doing that because they are not getting the production that they want from their anti firearms seasons. And that the Ill DNR isn't able to buck the legislator to extend or add to during the rut. But then again we all know that Ill is secretly ran by Chicago and Dailey.
As for Indiana's firearms I would hazard a guess that 80% of the firearms hunters only hunt weekends and of that 80% 70% only hunt the first weekend. Which leaves lots of time for old retired folks like me or those that take vacations then, if they can. Due to seniority, company rules, other reasons.
Since Indiana has a much smaller herd I would really say that we are doing real well with our deer herd.
Quit complaining and just hunt. Be happy. There are those out there that want to take it all away from you. If you don't want to participate then don't just don't try to screw it up for those of us that enjoy that time.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 29, 2009 21:31:50 GMT -5
Sorry there indianahick but i don't see anyone complaining or trying to extend a seaon or change anything. I think we were discussung the differences between the two states and management techniques. I would have to say if 80% only hunt the weekends where you hunt and 70% are done after the 1st weekend then I need to come hunt with you cause it sure ain't close to that around here. I typically have 3 weeks off during season 1 or 2 during firearms and I hear the banging all season long and throughout the week. I am usually always satisfied with the result of my season and havent killed a deer in four years with a firearm.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 21:37:39 GMT -5
Maybe it is just me and the fact that I enjoy and love Indiana's firearms season. But when I look at a state like Ill I look to see what kind of what I call junk season's that they have. Indiana runs archery until Jan 3, 2010. Ill has a firearms from Dec 31 to Jan 3, 2010 then turns around and has another from Jan 15 to 17. My personal feeling there is they are doing that because they are not getting the production that they want from their anti firearms seasons. And that the Ill DNR isn't able to buck the legislator to extend or add to during the rut. But then again we all know that Ill is secretly ran by Chicago and Dailey. as for those firearm seasons, they are what illonois calls tag cleanup weekends where you can only kill does and you can use any weaponry that has been previously used during the season. as most people who hunt the shotgun and m/l seasons usually are buck hunting this seems like a good idea to me to keep the population of does in check. |
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Post by vectrix on Dec 29, 2009 21:52:22 GMT -5
boone, what about during the two firearms seasons, are does allowed during those? I f not what dates exactly can you harvest antlerless??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 22:28:46 GMT -5
yes you can shoot does during ALL of their seasons, but not many will shoot does during the firearms seasons because they are after those big bucks that illonois is known for. when you spend 300 or so on a tag for non residents how many people do you think will use that on a doe during that time. thats one reason for the "cleanup season" late in the year. their are few guys on here that i know hunt ill. that are pretty much buck only hunters there and i imagine that alot of other nonresidents are the same way. although their doe tags are way cheaper for nonresident than ind. when you go out of state to hunt most wont shoot does.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 29, 2009 23:48:21 GMT -5
Yea I agree, I know what I would be after in Ill. I was just wondering how it was dealt out, like quota per county? I have never really like the bonus tag system we have here. I hear a lot of guys asking for some sort of season extension and thought it would be great to go to some sort of split antlerless season. 1 early 1 late to give xtra days, but who knows. I take it you do alot of hunting there, other than genetics do you think the shorter gun seasons equate to the larger bucks harvested? I think it is a combination of a lot of things like the ones above but also larger herd and the huntable property - land mass. Also how do the two states compare in harvest both buck and doe, any idea? Sorry for the ?'s but have always wondered why our neighbor to the west always produces those size bucks on a regular basis.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2009 11:17:51 GMT -5
the shorter gun season probally has a little effect in the outcome but they also get alot of hunters that time of year. the more hunters the more chance of success. as for the better quaility of the animals, there are multiple factors. more outfitters that are trophy managed, for instance pike co. which is primarilly all outfitters. another thing is you can kill 2 bucks per person there which also improves the odds of killing a booner buck. as far as the buck doe comparision, i dont know but i can tell you in their first shotgun season, ill. harvested around 90000 deer that weekend..
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