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Post by Conagher on Oct 23, 2009 18:13:37 GMT -5
There is a rumor going around that Indiana may allow .30-30 Winchester and .35 Remington in rifles for the 2010 firearms season. Just wondering how true this is?
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Post by jackc99 on Oct 23, 2009 18:18:55 GMT -5
ha-ha-ha.....'nuff said.
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Post by Dan Reeves on Oct 23, 2009 18:22:00 GMT -5
Well we at the point that restrictions are starting to look ridiculous.
With the envelope pushing of ML & PCR, centerfire is not much of an advantage, might as well allow them.
That said, I'm not for it and I wish there had been more forethought concerning ML & PCR, crossbows will be archery soon.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 23, 2009 19:03:25 GMT -5
I doughnut think so...
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Post by varmint101 on Oct 23, 2009 19:27:39 GMT -5
They would make sense, but I'm with Woody! mmm doughnuts...
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Post by HuntMeister on Oct 23, 2009 19:47:46 GMT -5
Unfortunately...no
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 24, 2009 5:27:48 GMT -5
Nope - I heard it was brought up and tabled in short order.
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Post by drs on Oct 24, 2009 7:23:41 GMT -5
There is a rumor going around that Indiana may allow .30-30 Winchester and .35 Remington in rifles for the 2010 firearms season. Just wondering how true this is? I seriously doubt this will ever happen in Indiana. Back in 1987, I requested the IDNR to look into allowing the use of PCR's for Indiana Deer Hunting since their ballistics were nearly the same as the new saboted shotgun ammo. It took TWENTY YEARS + before it became reality. Now there are some individuals taking these new WSSM cartridges necking them up to .357" at velocities over 2,200 FPS. Remember it will only take a few accidents involving this type of highpowered ammo to get the state to once again ban them in certain areas of the state
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Post by kdog8173 on Oct 24, 2009 10:05:35 GMT -5
heard it too at a gun shop
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Post by drs on Oct 24, 2009 11:56:43 GMT -5
heard it too at a gun shop That gunshop is just luring you & others into buying a .30-30 or .35 Rem. rifle. If you want to buy an actual legal rifle buy on in .44 Mag. or the other cartridges listed in the IDNR hunting pamplet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2009 18:24:48 GMT -5
Most hunters seem to be against the idea....so who knows, maybe the IDHA will come out in support of it?
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 24, 2009 20:51:50 GMT -5
I hunted with rifles for many years. The argument that they are accidents waiting to happen makes no sense to me. When they allowed PCRs, all I heard was that they would cause accidents because guys would just be unloading 8 or 10 shots at deer. Whatever, I can't say I've heard any strings of shots like that.
Any gun will kill someone. I think most "accidents" would happen regardless of whether a shotgun, muzzleloader, PCR or even a "high powered rifle" was involved, because most accidents are due to unsafe handling or somebody shooting at something not positively identified as a deer.
I'd love to hunt with my 45/70, and it is on par performance wise with many legal guns out there.
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 24, 2009 23:08:07 GMT -5
The PA study pretty well proved it wouldn't matter; but old notions die hard. I'd be very surprised to see it happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 8:04:02 GMT -5
Funny thing is that Hoosiers always joke about Kentuckians being dumb and hicks but Kentucky hunters have always used rifles and do it very well. Wonder why Ind. can't understand that it's not the weapon that can cause a problem?
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Post by mrfixit on Oct 25, 2009 11:40:58 GMT -5
The whole thing is pretty silly. Most people hunt from a stand and shoot in the direction of the ground and there are other laws including murder, attempted murder, reckless homicide to name a few that should somewhat prevent sane people from being completely stupid. The other minority of insane individuals already use high powered rifles ... like I was saying the whole thing is completely silly.
*edit* you can use a high powered rifle to kill anything else in the state including squirrels, rabbits, coons, possums etc. but God forbid you use a round befitting the animal when hunting deer. Better to wound'em up and let'em die days later !
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Post by den57 on Oct 25, 2009 13:35:35 GMT -5
" Now there are some individuals taking these new WSSM cartridges necking them up to .357" at velocities over 2,200 FPS. "...... Thank goodness and I can't wait to get my hands on one!!!!!!
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Post by drs on Oct 25, 2009 14:11:08 GMT -5
The state of Indiana is really too flat and highly populated for using rifles other than short ranged PCR's.
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Post by Sasquatch on Oct 25, 2009 16:53:54 GMT -5
I hunted with rifles for many years. The argument that they are accidents waiting to happen makes no sense to me. When they allowed PCRs, all I heard was that they would cause accidents because guys would just be unloading 8 or 10 shots at deer. Whatever, I can't say I've heard any strings of shots like that. Any gun will kill someone. I think most "accidents" would happen regardless of whether a shotgun, muzzleloader, PCR or even a "high powered rifle" was involved, because most accidents are due to unsafe handling or somebody shooting at something not positively identified as a deer. I'd love to hunt with my 45/70, and it is on par performance wise with many legal guns out there. lol... I don't think the weapon matters! Where I grew up, the Decatur/Franklin Co line, Opening morning sounded like combat. I remember about ten years ago I counted way over 50 shots in the first couple of hours, including two slugs that I heard hitting the branches above me from two guys lower down the hill. One local, who I called "Quickdraw" had a semi-auto 12 with an extended magazine tube. More than once I heard him shoot EIGHT times. BOOM! pause......BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM!!!!! I've heard lots of shooting before light... I also remember hearing an automatic weapon one morning! I guess I can't say for sure it was aimed at a deer, but it was an odd time for practice with a machine gun.
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Oct 25, 2009 17:30:21 GMT -5
There is a rumor going around that Indiana may allow .30-30 Winchester and .35 Remington in rifles for the 2010 firearms season. Just wondering how true this is? I'll just be happy if Telecheck comes for the 2010 Season. Yup I have a lot of rifle collecting dust right.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 25, 2009 17:51:05 GMT -5
The PA study pretty well proved it wouldn't matter; but old notions die hard. I'd be very surprised to see it happen. mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/2007/03/29/new-study-shows-shotguns-are-not-safer-than-rifles-for-deer-hunting/The Pennsylvania DNR still banned the use of HPR's in areas containing a pre-determined population density. Old myths die hard, even when the facts prove otherwise...... Here’s how the study went. ”Technology has changed for the shotgun and muzzleloader, and the difference between them and a [deer] rifle is decreasing from what it was years ago,” Mountaintop consultant Todd Bacastow said. The study examined ballistics data on three popular deer-hunting guns: a .30-06 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and a .50-caliber muzzleloader. The rifle had the greatest maximum range at 2.64 miles, followed by the shotgun at 1.97 miles and the muzzleloader, which generally uses heavier and slower bullets, at 1.74 miles. However, Bacastow noted that to achieve maximum range, shots must be fired at a 35-degree angle, which is highly unlikely in a hunting situation. He noted that a bullet fired at a 35-degree angle toward a deer 100 yards away would fly 210 feet above the animal’s back. Most shots fired by hunters are relatively flat, and even a slight aiming error usually results in a shot less than 5 degrees above the horizon. When shots are fired at an elevation of 5 degrees, the total distances traveled, including ricochets, are 1.66 miles for a rifle bullet and 1.3 miles for a shotgun slug. When shots are fired holding the guns level 3 feet off the ground, the shotgun slug will travel 0.99 of a mile, 16 percent farther than the rifle bullet will travel under the same circumstances. The reason, Bacastow said, is that slugs tend to hold together better and lose less energy during ricochets than rifle bullets. Therefore, slugs often can travel farther than rifle bullets in common hunting scenarios.
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