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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2007 10:21:21 GMT -5
o boy we are going to be just like ill. i,m going to start saving my money so i can afford 1 of them payed hunts from a big outfitter, prob on some of the same ground i hunt for free now
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Post by racktracker on Dec 13, 2007 10:46:33 GMT -5
Looking at the top two posts it doesn't appear that we moved at all. You know what? I don't care. On another board I see a poster, in order to provide "proof that the OBR is working", is mixing data and claiming "I find it interesting to see how we've jumped up to No. 6 in Boone and Crockett entries, and to No. 5 in Pope and Young entries in the period of 2001-2006. This is from a jump of Nos. 12 and Nos. 8 respectfully, all-time." A "jump"  The number 5 and 6 is in trophy entires is per square mile, not all time. Grape and watermelons comparison. According to the second post we were number 7 all time in trophies per mile and now we are 5th or 6th. It also appears that it was a slip by Maryland and a falling out of the top ten by New Jersey that moved us up the trophies per square mile category. No "proof" again... |
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Post by js2397 on Dec 13, 2007 10:47:41 GMT -5
No matter what any one wants you to believe Indiana is and always will be a trophy state. We rank in the top ten in total book bucks, book bucks per square mile, book bucks per buck harvested, and book bucks per population. What is good to know is that we do not need to give up all of our current deer hunting freedoms to make this a great state. The only thing that could possible move us into the top five is cancel all buck hunting for four or five years, which I think some people would like to see for their own gain. We will never be number 1 but top ten is fine with most people.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 13, 2007 11:23:58 GMT -5
Trophy hunters that are fortunate enough to get drawn and afford hunts on good ground in Iowa, Illinois, and Ohio will tell you the quality and number of mature bucks will make you never want to hunt good old back yard Indiana, again. There really isn't anything to worry about unless some guys with too much money and not enough sense think they can get lucky here. Now if the season structure changed, then another story.
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 13, 2007 13:25:16 GMT -5
No, no, as I have said before, there are no trophies here - mostly forks and 6's with an occasional 8-12pt. thrown in. Nothing to see here move along............
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2007 22:52:18 GMT -5
I like that dbd870 hehe
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 14, 2007 10:11:29 GMT -5
More historical trophy “data”
Thisdata was gathered from the 1999 P & Y book..
So, where is the big improvement in our position?The Pope and Young Typical Buck entry list is as follows ranked by number of entries in the record books: STATE AND POSITION 1. Wisconsin 2. Illinois 3. Iowa 4. Minnesota 5. Ohio 6. Kansas 7. Michigan 8. Missouri 9. Indiana 10. Texas 11. New York 12 Maryland 13 Kentucky 14 Pennsylvania 15 Nebraska The Pope and Young Nontypical Buck entries: (States ranked in numeric order from most entries in records books to least entries in record books.)
STATES AND POSITION 1 Illinois 2 Wisconsin 3 Iowa 4 Kansas 5 Minnesota 6 Ohio 7 Missouri 8 Indiana 9 Nebraska 10 Kentucky 11 Texas 12 Maryland 13 Oklahoma 14 New York 15 South Dakota A closer look at state quality of whitetail herd can be taken by adding the number of all Pope and Young entries with the number of Boone and Crockett entries (Following is a top ten listing. States are ranked in numeric order of number of entries in the record books. STATE 1. Wisconsin 2. Illinois 3. Iowa 4. Minnesota 5. Ohio 6. Kansas 7. Michigan 8. Missouri 9. Texas 10. IndianaFrom:
www.imbmonsterbucks.com/info.php?id=50
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 14, 2007 10:56:08 GMT -5
Record Book Entries Per State - 1991 - 2000State POPE & YOUNG BOONE & CROCKETT COMBINED ................Typ.....NT.....Total....Typ......NT.....Total.....Total* 1)Wisconsin 2,969 156 3,125 - 197 76 273 3,398 2) Illinois 2,061 206 2,267 - 221 153 374 2,641 3) Iowa 1,143 127 1,270 - 202 114 316 1,586 4) Ohio 865 69 934 - 94 49 143 1,077 5) Minnesota 689 44 733 - 90 52 142 875 6) Kansas 544 87 631 - 89 61 150 781 7) Texas 601 32 633 - 74 32 106 739 8) Missouri 509 39 548 - 118 52 170 718 9) Michigan 551 25 576 - 38 22 60 636 10) Indiana 459 28 487 - 69 31 100 58711) Kentucky 274 21 295 - 123 56 179 474 12) New York 398 17 415 - 18 4 22 437 13) Pennsylvania 356 9 365 - 6 3 9 374 14) Maryland 318 17 335 - 20 7 27 362 15)Nebraska 232 19 251 - 42 15 57 308 * Some entries may be listed in both the B&C and P&Y record books. Source - Remington.com haneyvalley.com/records.htm |
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Post by indianahick on Dec 14, 2007 12:03:09 GMT -5
Just a curious though but has anyone ever tried to compare the number of entries as to their relation to the total herd size. The herd was considerably smaller in the 70's, 80's, and somewhat smaller in the 90's than it is now. I would think that the larger the herd is that the more record book deer there would be, of course that also depends upon the amount of feed and other factors that would come into play.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 14, 2007 20:32:50 GMT -5
Since the debate is what has occurred (trophy wise per B & C and P & Y) in Indiana since the OBR came into effect I took these verified numbers provided in a couple the posts in this thread. Post 27 gave us the Combined Record Book Entries Per State from 1991 – 2000 per haneyvalley.com/records.htm Post #1 gave us the all time B & C and P & Y records. (North American Whitetail magazine) Deducting post #27’s state by state numbers from the Post# 1’s state by state numbers gives us a ranking of percent increase from that states previous total. 1) Iowa increased their total 2,097 trophies (132% increase)2) Illinois increased their total 3,124 trophies (118% increase)3) Wisconsin increased their total 3,398 trophies (112% increase)4) Texas increased their total 737 trophies (100%)5) Michigan increased their total 676 trophies (95% increase)6) Ohio increased their total 1,452 trophies (74%)7) Kentucky increased their total trophies 675 (70%)8) Indiana increased their total trophies 587 (65%) 9) Kansas increased their total trophies 781 (57%)10) Minnesota increased their total trophies 875 (51%)Hmmmm?? |
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Post by racktracker on Dec 15, 2007 13:51:59 GMT -5
Since the debate is what has occurred (trophy wise per B & C and P & Y) in Indiana since the OBR came into effect I took these verified numbers provided in a couple the posts in this thread.
Post 27 gave us the Combined Record Book Entries Per State from 1991 – 2000 per haneyvalley.com/records.htm
Post #1 gave us the all time B & C and P & Y records.
(North American Whitetail magazine)
Deducting post #27’s state by state numbers from the Post# 1’s state by state numbers gives us a ranking of percent increase from that states previous total.
1) Iowa increased their total 2,097 trophies (132% increase)
2) Illinois increased their total 3,124 trophies (118% increase)
3) Wisconsin increased their total 3,398 trophies (112% increase)
4) Texas increased their total 737 trophies (100%)
5) Michigan increased their total 676 trophies (95% increase)
6) Ohio increased their total 1,452 trophies (74%)
7) Kentucky increased their total trophies 675 (70%)
8) Indiana increased their total trophies 587 (65%)
9) Kansas increased their total trophies 781 (57%)
10) Minnesota increased their total trophies 875 (51%)
Hmmmm?? Hmmmm?? is right! This really puts it in perspective. All the claims that we are doing so much better and catching up with the "big boy" states is bunk. The NAW data is being trumpeted by some as "proof" that the OBR is working. On one site they are saying - "MORE Proof Indiana'a One Buck Rule IS WORKING!!!" Bull! The guy posting that must not have been aware of where we were before the OBR. In percent gain during the last 5 years we are down near the bottom. The top five all doubled their entries and they are multiple buck limit states. OBR = One BIG farce |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 15, 2007 14:09:22 GMT -5
Rank state (country) size in square miles 1 Alaska ......656,425 2 Texas ......268,601 - (France) ......211,207 3 California ......163,707 4 Montana ......147,046 5 New Mexico ......121,593 - (Poland) ......120,725 6 Arizona ......114,006 7 Nevada ......110,567 8 Colorado ......104,100 9 Oregon...... 98,386 10 Wyoming...... 97,818 11 Michigan ......96,810 - (United Kingdom) ......93,026 12 Minnesota ......86,943 13 Utah...... 84,904 14 Idaho...... 83,574 15 Kansas ......82,282 16 Nebraska ......77,358 17 South Dakota...... 77,121 18 Washington....... 71,303 19 North Dakota...... 70,704 20 Oklahoma .......69,903 21 Missouri ......69,709 22 Florida ......65,758 23 Wisconsin .......................65,503 24 Georgia ......59,441 25 Illinois............................. 57,918 26 Iowa ...............................56,276 27 New York ......54,475 28 North Carolina...... 53,821 29 Arkansas ......53,182 30 Alabama...... 52,423 31 Louisiana ......51,843 - (Greece)...... 50,944 32 Mississippi...... 48,434 33 Pennsylvania .............46,058 34 Ohio ......................................44,828 - (Bulgaria)...... 42,823 35 Virginia ......42,769 36 Tennessee ......42,146 37 Kentucky......... 40,411 - (Iceland) ......39,768 38 Indiana ...............................................36,420  39 Maine .....35,387 - (Austria)...... 32,374 40 South Carolina ......32,007 41 West Virginia ......24,231 - (Denmark) .......16,629 42 Maryland........ 12,407 43 Hawaii .......10,932 44 Massachusetts .......10,555 45 Vermont........ 9,615 46 New Ham.......pshire 9,351 47 New Jersey ......8,722 48 Connecticut....... 5,544 49 Delaware ......2,489 50 Rhode Island ......1,545 51 District of Columbia .........68 Indiana is Doing FINE for its size...  |
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 15, 2007 14:29:48 GMT -5
................. Indiana is Doing FINE for its size.............. You are right Greg. Do you remember me telling you that some would never just be satisfied with just the OBR? That they would be back pushing for shortening and moving the gun and muzzleloader season? Then on to Earn a Buck and antler restrictions? They are trying to do that aren't they Greg? But don't worry, it wont happen. The OBR is as far as this goes..  |
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 15, 2007 15:09:34 GMT -5
Some self imposed antler restrictions would do a world of good in a lot of the State. A ton of young bucks being killed this year. Keep killing the young bucks and that is all you will ever get. Bet those trophy hunters that go to Illinois don't shoot littlins.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 15, 2007 15:16:31 GMT -5
............... Bet those trophy hunters that go to Illinois don't shoot littlins. A TRUE trophy hunter doesn't shoot "littlins" no matter what state he is in. Agreed? |
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 15, 2007 15:27:40 GMT -5
agreed.
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