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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 13:02:49 GMT -5
Same applies with hunting.....sometimes it's best to shoot close, sometimes far works just as well, an example would be in steep mountain areas, from one ridge to another. You said it wasn't hunting, and it certainly is. Also, I think those guys are better than 80%.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Jun 29, 2009 13:09:13 GMT -5
Actually, the Doctrine for Snipers is "one shot one kill", not "one shot/wound".
In general, Snipers are called upon to take out high priority targets, and most of the time wounding them is actually counterproductive...
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Post by danf on Jun 29, 2009 13:56:27 GMT -5
So where is the line in the sand that is magically crossed when short range becomes long range? Long range for a .22 rimfire is COMPLETELY different than long range for a .50 BMG, which is completely different than a .308 Winchester. To arbitrarily pick a distance is kinda hard, IMHO. Even at ranges as short as 200 yards you still have to dope the wind to some degree with certain calibers- even more so at longer ranges regardless of what you are shooting. Long range "hunting" is not my cup of tea by any means. I will, however, guess that there is a higher *percentage* of wounded game animals that are shot in the 200-400 yard range (which many DON'T consider long range) than there is in the 600+ yard shots. The guys that consistently take the longer shots are the ones that know the equipment and themselves and are capable of taking those shots. Had I not switched scopes right before season I might have been tempted to take a shot at a buck over the Thanksgiving weekend last season with my .357 Maximum PISTOL at ~200 yards. I wouldn't have considered it a "chip shot" by any means but I could have done it. Is that long range?  |
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Post by dadfsr on Jun 29, 2009 14:56:14 GMT -5
So where is the line in the sand that is magically crossed when short range becomes long range? Long range for a .22 rimfire is COMPLETELY different than long range for a .50 BMG, which is completely different than a .308 Winchester. To arbitrarily pick a distance is kinda hard, IMHO. Even at ranges as short as 200 yards you still have to dope the wind to some degree with certain calibers- even more so at longer ranges regardless of what you are shooting. Long range "hunting" is not my cup of tea by any means. I will, however, guess that there is a higher *percentage* of wounded game animals that are shot in the 200-400 yard range (which many DON'T consider long range) than there is in the 600+ yard shots. The guys that consistently take the longer shots are the ones that know the equipment and themselves and are capable of taking those shots. Had I not switched scopes right before season I might have been tempted to take a shot at a buck over the Thanksgiving weekend last season with my .357 Maximum PISTOL at ~200 yards. I wouldn't have considered it a "chip shot" by any means but I could have done it. Is that long range? I watched him exploding the minature pumpkins at 200+ yards with the set-up he mentioned-so I know he can do it. I also wonder just how many so called hunters would try a long shot at a "once in a lifetime" animal just because they know the caliber/rifle is capable of it-even though they have never actually practiced that shot enough to know what they are doing-just because of seeing a video of something like this. |
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Post by danf on Jun 29, 2009 15:15:22 GMT -5
The buck I mentioned in my last post would certainly have been the biggest I'd had a shot at to that point.  |
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Post by gundude on Jun 29, 2009 15:47:38 GMT -5
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Post by huxbux on Jun 29, 2009 16:05:59 GMT -5
I have no problem with it.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 29, 2009 16:16:12 GMT -5
Be careful guys... let's don't let this get any more personal..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 16:34:32 GMT -5
The Seal sniper incident with the pirates wasn't at long range, but it was a clean kill. If you would actually watch the Best of the West guys shoot, you'll see that they don't miss many times, even on targets. They are hunters for sure. Maybe you have to be from Ky. to understand that. Or at least take a trip out west where long shots are the norm. You'll have to define what is long and what isn't for me because I'm from Ky. What about a 50 yard bow shot, where most hunters will hit the mark less than 80% What about a 175 YD. slug gun or PCR. So, lets see what you consider hunting and what range isn't? (Go ahead and use Hoosier mentality) |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 29, 2009 16:42:03 GMT -5
Locked....
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