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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 17:18:55 GMT -5
Yes we do we are resident tag holders and the big part that many over look in my statement is we are not makeing money from the use or hunting of public land that is paid for by and owned by every citizen in this state lets face it they are makeing money from the resorces and land we all paid for so when dose the state and the people here get thier cut !! .Besides what do you young hunter residents from KY got in it anyways?? ;D Before you stated that you were concerned with someone "taking" away a place to hunt for residents........so it's OK if a resident "takes" away that propertry??? If it's the money making that your concerned about now, then your worries are answered. Ever heard of the IRS and something called taxes? I like the part about "we all paid for" in your post. As in Federal properties such as the Hoosier N.F. and all military posts, not to mention the Federal money used to purchase State wildlife areas. If you don't know what I mean, it's called the Pittman-Robinson Act, where there is matching money from the Federal Govnt. usede to purchase areas for us to hunt on. As for young hunters from Ky., they pay plenty for the right to hunt in indiana, be it public or private lands, for proof, look at the DNR website for license fees and compare them with what you pay.
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Post by ribbuster on Apr 10, 2009 19:20:02 GMT -5
Yes we do we are resident tag holders and the big part that many over look in my statement is we are not making money from the use or hunting of public land that is paid for by and owned by every citizen in this state lets face it they are making money from the resources and land we all paid for so when dose the state and the people here get their cut !! .Besides what do you young hunter residents from KY got in it anyways?? ;D Before you stated that you were concerned with someone "taking" away a place to hunt for residents........so it's OK if a resident "takes" away that property??? If it's the money making that your concerned about now, then your worries are answered. Ever heard of the IRS and something called taxes? I like the part about "we all paid for" in your post. As in Federal properties such as the Hoosier N.F. and all military posts, not to mention the Federal money used to purchase State wildlife areas. If you don't know what I mean, it's called the Pittman-Robinson Act, where there is matching money from the Federal Govt. used to purchase areas for us to hunt on. As for young hunters from Ky., they pay plenty for the right to hunt in Indiana, be it public or private lands, for proof, look at the DNR website for license fees and compare them with what you pay. First off I quantified my statement when I said state land .I said nothing of federal land at all .As far as the P&R act you need to studie this a bit .The money was equaled by the fed directly from the sales of sporting goods here in the state on Indiana and the taxes levied on them it came this state .Your money that was spent say in the state of KY stays there it dose not come here in any way shape or form .. Secondly The messily pittance of the miserably low number of money spent here by out of starters on gear . Doesn't even pay for a small amount of COs and their trucks or gasoline. Besides the P&R act is directed more to fed land anyways. So if you want to throw the P&R at us know that I said outfitters have no right to make money from land that we all paid for .No mater where it comes from without paying for the privilege to use it. I stand by my words .
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Post by ribbuster on Apr 10, 2009 19:52:22 GMT -5
Well . Now I understand.... ...It stings deep down don't it ,when you feel like others are against you or yours... No, you certainly don't understand... you simply see an avenue in which to push your agenda. I handed you your ass because your argument was weak and I had the freetime, same reason I continue this discussion on a rainy day. ;D Woody and most other regulars here know me well enough, my input is based on personal convictions not any profit or family ties. I'll show at the meetings, I'll stand eye-to-eye and argue any point you'd like. We've only scratches the surface of my beliefs here: assuming you know where I'm coming from is unfair. Your theory on regulation of outfitters shows you are ignorant in that regaurd as well. Call the HNF headquarters and tell them you are an outfitter that plans to guide turkey hunts on their property this month... get ready to jump through hoops and pull out your checkbook. Tell them you are merely a prostaffer that plans to film on their property: tell me if you feel the regulation already in place isn't asinine. While you're on the phone, ask them if they know any good coyote hunters. I run the largest hunting event on public ground in the state of Indiana, I founded and developed this event in 2005 and titled it the Indiana Predator Challenge. I spend hours, days even, meeting and working with the HNF / FWS and IDNR in relation to my use of this property for a NON-PROFIT event. It can be frustrating and tiring, but they really work with me. I am also friends with officers and agents of HNF property who do have the proper permits required to profit from the sales of guiding and filming on those properties. I do not participate or purchase that content in any way- but I'm familiar with what they've gone through to stay legal. There is a lot of red-tape involved in doing it RIGHT. Even the men and women that help you apply will roll their eyes on a regular basis as you go through pages of "Not Applicable" BS. Again, 95% of the sportsmen using HNF property have no idea how those stipulations on guiding and outfitting read... so as Decatur suggested in the beginning of this thread, we should probably outlaw hunting on public properties to ensure fewer violations. You sir are full of yourself you handed me nothing KID!! The only thing in your hand was the BS you spew. You are a legend in your own mind and it sounds like you over estimate yourself .You are looking out for your own interests and that is that ! HF had nothing to do with my earlier argument .Oh and the HNF is a walk on hunt pal you just go hunt . As I also also said State land ,not FED land .Get your facts strait .You must be blind or cant read . You are just like the many of these people on here you are juts another a hunter one in 400,000 others , just some guy who hunts . Your weak insignificant opinions mean no more than any others on here or out there in the Field. But some how think you are some industry mover and shaker . Or insider on top the DNR or FED programs .Half the people on here are good enough at heart but there are people on here that have no vote in INDIANA as they are not from here and simply want to bring their brand of hunting here from where ever they are from . There are others here who have other agendas all together .There are things involved in this sport in this state like Outfitting that will eventually drag down the hunting here as it dose in every area it takes hold of . That is the fact .If you care to ask someone with the insights to this that you may respect more than me or others, simply ask either one of the Drury's about the areas around pike county Ill. They have openly spoke of its decline and moved on to other places. This Site is not about helping hunting or hunters its a platform for arofgance and worse yet ignorance ,and greed. I am out of here .Enjoy your one sided fights boys .Its been a real eye opener for me in my short stay here . GReed ,Ignorance ,Distrust and self serveing adjendas .Very little to help hunting here in Indiana has happened here
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Post by jrbhunter on Apr 10, 2009 20:53:20 GMT -5
LOL!! Did he just refer to a high fence discussion as "one-sided" in the manor I think he did??? Boy have times changed! This is the first time the topic has seen any resistance in many months. Most of these discussions turn into a slap-n-tickle amongst those "Squeaky Wheels" we discussed earlier. I don't mean that in a derogatory way, it's just a fact. Most logical and otherwise open-minded folks have decided to just let the boys run with it: so little resistance is offered. Ribbster demonstrates well the emotion that we've seen in this topic from day one. Quite honestly, most of his last posts are illegible but I'm certain he flew off the handle somewhere. It becomes evident, at some point, that logic has left the building and personal attacks set in. This was typical of both sides back when the topic was hot-n-heavy, I'm glad those days are behind us. Once again, to each their own. Great discussion points were made here - but I think she's done kickin'.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 10, 2009 21:06:06 GMT -5
..........but I think she's done kickin'. Yes it is.
WAAAYYY too personal.
It is locked folks..
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