Post by ribbuster on Mar 28, 2009 21:44:53 GMT -5
Mar 28, 2009 10:44:00 GMT -5 @ribbuster said:
.The kicker is it just cant be done with a gun and that is what you struggle with .Obviously you haven't a clue about me or my hunting habits. There may be a few people here that spend more time in the woods than me but it would be a very few. I struggle with nothing other than someone trying to limit opportunity.
Again, using scare tactics to limit everyone's opportunity. Run for the hills, run for your lives!!
And as if the last paragraph wasn't enough scare tactics now we are forced to hear more. People are going to kill the same amount of deer no matter how long the seasons are. Again, people are limited by 1} state bag limits 2} the sheer costs of tags and everything that happens after the actual kill and last but not least 3}a full freezer is a full freezer no matter how you fill it. If there was any value to your argument we would be seeing the beginning of the end even as we good heartedly argue the merits of our particular side of this issue. Just look at the tremendously generous anterless bag limits. Please explain to me how the tool a person uses is going to change things so dramatically. It makes absolutely no difference if a deer is killed using a bow, crossbow, shotgun, PCR or muzzle loader. A dead deer in the freezer is still a dead deer. Allowing someone longer to be more selective is not going to dramatically change anything, except lower the numbers of spikes, fork horns and small six points taken.
You will still get to set on a tree as long as you want you just can't do it all with a gun and even now none of us cant set there in a tree as long as you want with a gun .By the way I enjoy hunting with a gun its a great change of pace. If the DNR thought it was a good idea to run a 3 month long gun season it would of been done 3 years ago I think.
No thanks not for me thank you .
No thanks not for me thank you .
Just because it isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean others wouldn't enjoy it or have an opportunity to go out and enjoy an afternoon in the woods during what would be "out of season" now. As it is now I'm pretty much out in the woods at every chance from the beginning of bow until the end of muzzle loader and sporadically after that as it's getting mighty close to Christmas by then. Of course it doesn't affect me with a lifetime license but to pay what they want for a tag then get to go hunting once or twice over a two week season doesn't make to much sense. I truly believe if our sport is to survive long term we need to open up avenues of opportunity rather than place limits on options while we raise the costs. Whether you wish to believe it or not in the not so far off future the very existence of the second amendment is going to be dependent somewhat on the sport of hunting. A perfect example would be Great Britain. First opportunity for the masses was limited. I'll let you go do a little reading and see what happened next.
I promise I am not some short time hack .I am quite educated about hunting seasons around the world and have hunted extensively across this country in many states over my 49 years of life I have taken alot of deer ,elk ,antelope,Turkey ,mule deer,coyote ,fox ,and small game and birds /water fowl . I have actually lost count of the whitetails but its over 100. I read every hunting related publication I can get as well as any other wildlife info .I do not struggle with hunting or killing game it comes rather natural to me it is my hobby I like hunting. I suppose living on a farm around game and farm animals all my life hasn't hurt when it came to learning about their habits and biological clocks either.
You and I will not see eye to eye on this .Nore will I try to just as you will not change your thoughts on this .We will just agree to disagree so this back and forth banter is useless and for naught, the state will do what it will do ,you will hunt how you hunt . I will hunt on my schedule and how I hunt because it has put thousands of inches of antlers on my wall and a whole lot of good eating in my freezers over the last 35 years or so.
That said You also have no clue how hard or long I hunt or don't hunt on my farm either .So do not pretend to know what my cup of tea is either as I don't pretend top know yours .But the fact will remain that you still under current state law have a set limit of deer that you may legally harvest just as I do .All who deer hunt have 3 months to hunt as well and if that is not enough due to you or anyone limiting themselves to only one or two of the weapon type or seasons that is no ones fault but their own .So we will part ways on our management and seasonal length thoughts here as we both are entitled our opinions and they will not change our minds.
I say hunt as much or as little as you want. But I stand by the thought that if any hunter in this state can not kill the number of deer that they want even if its just one deer in 3 months with as many weapons as they give us to us then they are doing something wrong and no amount of time will change the fact that they really just are not a very good hunter or simply hunt the worst hunting land in the countryside .Sure there is nothing wrong with just wanting to go set in the woods and hunt" I have done just that" but the season has to end and get the woods back to normal some time doesn't it now and the killing has to end as well..
I do not think any more time is needed in the woods by our deer hunters and is just becomes a co pout I have herd repeatedly over the last 3.5 decades from more than one deer hunter. the I just want to hunt deal only goes so far with me .Go goose hunting its open till February in most of the state or coyote and fox hunt .The woods is the woods no matter what you hunt.Just a thought .Also I will deal with the 2nd amendment in my way when the time comes I need not study what the British have done or Germany or the USSR ,or anyone of the dozens of fascist regimes in this world !I sir am way more educated and updated than you seem to think with your they are taking my guns the sky is falling routine . !If and when it ever happens I and mine will do as any good US citizen would .
You have your opinion and I mine and I will not take that from you and will not let you take my opinion in return. Our bantering here is fruitless and will end now on my part.