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Post by duff on Jan 13, 2009 8:58:25 GMT -5
Definately area dependant! 4 seasons ago I hunted Madison Co for the last time. I saw 7-8 small bucks and ZERO does. It was a gradual transfer as 15 yrs prior to that I was seeing 8-10 does dang near every time out as doe permits become more accessable I started to see fewer does. Not much else had changed as far as the property. To be an 8 bonus county is negligent IMO.
But you get in places like Laporte or Vermillion Co where I've been hunting the last few years there are lots of deer and can support those limits. And as many have pointed out, most only shoot what they can use (~75% here shot 2 or less).
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Post by duff on Jan 13, 2009 9:05:18 GMT -5
If you look at the gross numbers it shows each hunter took 1.83 deer this year. 127 hunters in the contest and 233 deer accounted.
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Post by Decatur on Jan 13, 2009 10:10:02 GMT -5
Plus, all things in nature a cyclic, deer numbers, rabbit numbers, average temperature...
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Post by duff on Jan 13, 2009 10:25:32 GMT -5
Absolutely, that is why each area should be evaluated each year! Madison county and 8 bonus tags is crazy!
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Post by batchief909 on Jan 14, 2009 16:33:28 GMT -5
The main problem is that almost every other hunter counts on someone else NOT releasing that arrow or pulling the trigger.
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Post by shouldernuke on Jan 18, 2009 12:37:52 GMT -5
Yes in many areas there are to many bonus tags .In others there are not enough.I mean how can the DNR justify any Bonus tags in any county that takes less than 500 deer annually?? Think about it a sec.If there are counties like mine that take 350 deer a year and they give it 4 permits per hunter there is a real problem at the top isn't there!!??
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Post by Old Ironsights on Jan 18, 2009 14:20:17 GMT -5
OTOH Kill Numbers don't tell the whole story either.
We are innundated with deer north of I94, but there were less than 1000 Archery licences sold in all of LaPorte county - UDZ or not. If averages hold, that means that there were significantly less than 300 deer taken north of 94 - so going on total kill numbers by itself really isn't useful either.
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Post by bowhunt01 on Jan 18, 2009 14:49:53 GMT -5
I dont think the deer population is down .I still see alot of deer just mainly in the middle of the day. There is a chance that alot of hunters are overhunting their own land by either spending to much time moving around trying to find the best spot or they simply have to many people hunting with them. It doesnt take long for deer to pattern people which causes them to completely change their patterns or just move out of the area until the pressure goes away. Ive hunted the same tree for 8 years and killed a nice buck and usually 2-3 does every year and seen plenty more.
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Post by shouldernuke on Jan 18, 2009 15:56:54 GMT -5
I understand the whole tag sold hunter percentage thing but we had almost 5000 tags sold here in my home county and it is a hotbed of central IN deer hunting.This is not my first rodeo as it were. I can tell you I have taken well over 100 deer in my hunting life this wasnot ment as a brag just sort of a fact to let you know I have had and do not have issues with deer hunting at all .There is just simply not the contrived numbers of deer here in this county at all that The state would lead us to beleive. I was born and raised here on the family farms.
The ball has been dropped up here in my home I know 33 years of successful deer hunting here allows me this opinion. I also understand pressure but that is of no concern at our farm we only hunt proper time of year and only with the wind. On a side note we {my two sons and I} took exactly the deer we intended to this year as in most of the past years .We are not fly by nite rookies that assume to much or to little in these cases.
Sorry for your area only 1000 sold but your area is a rather metropolitan area ours is not.So I believe this is the difference in this case.
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Post by duff on Jan 20, 2009 8:57:38 GMT -5
OTOH Kill Numbers don't tell the whole story either. We are innundated with deer north of I94, but there were less than 1000 Archery licences sold in all of LaPorte county - UDZ or not. If averages hold, that means that there were significantly less than 300 deer taken north of 94 - so going on total kill numbers by itself really isn't useful either. Laporte County is huge and if I remember correctly it is always in the top 10 for total harvest. It has all the habitats represented urban, rural, swamps, ag, forrest.....Overall a great county to be a hunter IMO.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Jan 20, 2009 9:50:26 GMT -5
Yeah, Kankakee river on the South and UZ on the north, and about everything in between... as long a you have access to some ground... In 5 years of living here I've pretty much given up on fiding non-UDZ/FWA ares to hunt in LaPorte/Porter Co. But I've got a good UDZ spot now.
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Post by duff on Jan 20, 2009 10:30:19 GMT -5
Yea it can be hard to get spots to deer hunt anywhere. Good going on the UDZ.
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Post by jackc99 on Jan 20, 2009 17:31:36 GMT -5
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Post by lugnutz on Jan 20, 2009 18:04:55 GMT -5
I think after telecheck is implemented the DNR will have concrete information as opposed to now, Giving them more reliable information to which what counties to grant xxx amount of doe tags.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Jan 20, 2009 21:21:17 GMT -5
Again Jack.... what difference does it really make how many tags are available if the number of deer taken by any individual rarely averagesout over 2?
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Post by jackc99 on Jan 20, 2009 23:07:20 GMT -5
Then why even present such an outlandish bill?
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Post by Decatur on Jan 20, 2009 23:14:33 GMT -5
It makes them feel good. Typical of most new laws, sounds good on paper, but has no practical value.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 21, 2009 8:53:22 GMT -5
Then why even present such an outlandish bill? Friend is just keeping his reputation as a numbskull up. Congress critters should not be setting game limits.
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Post by raporter on Jan 21, 2009 9:46:25 GMT -5
Then why even present such an outlandish bill? Friend is just keeping his reputation as a numbskull up. Congress critters should not be setting game limits. I agree Woody. Thought that was why we pay professionals.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Jan 21, 2009 11:15:45 GMT -5
Then why even present such an outlandish bill? Well, lessee... Why do Politicians pull ANY bill out of their collective ... ? Because they want to look like they are doing somthing to the people that are whining at them.
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