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Post by dbd870 on Jun 24, 2008 6:58:07 GMT -5
This ought to be a barn burner. ;D Recent events have reminded me of the times I spent in NYC for a former job. So.........I have a question for Doc or anyone else who's had some sociology courses. What are the dynamics that bring about the New York or Chicago big city attitute in their lifelong residents?
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Post by chicobrownbear on Jun 24, 2008 7:14:45 GMT -5
Aldo Leopold were he still here would argue that it is a complete severance of ties to the land.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Jun 24, 2008 9:15:30 GMT -5
Simple population density.
Put 5 rats in a cage and they will be fine. Add a sixth and they will all start trying to kill each other.
The Urban Centers are overpopulated Rat Cages that want to spread their filth to the rest of us... or kill each other trying.
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Post by Sleazy E on Jun 24, 2008 15:11:51 GMT -5
I would agree with IS to an extent..... Population density is the problem.... Mostly because the more people you get together in an area the higher the percentage for getting nut balls... and psycho's.... Then you have those that have used that attitude toward other people as a means of adaptation to the life in the city... Hatred is like a disease and it can be spread from person to person through prolonged close contact... I believe the same to be true of psychosis... why else would so many shrinks end up in counseling or with addiction problems themselves...
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Post by drgreyhound on Jun 24, 2008 16:06:18 GMT -5
I had one--yes, that's right, one--100-level medical sociology course my first semester in undergrad. But I'll put forth my hypothesis anyways-- I think it's probably because of high population density, but I'm not sure it's their goal to harm the "Joneses" in some way (at least not all of the time). Since they are surrounded by so many people, there is a higher probability that they will be around a lot of people they find threatening, because these people could be perceived as "better" than them economically, popularity-wise, etc. So in order to feel okay with who they are as people and their accomplishments in the face of such constant threat to their self-worth (which is probably based more on external accomplishments than internal attitudes), they find it somehow necessary to always be on the defensive and "act out" in order to subvert anyone who might rise to being "better" than them in some seen or unforseen way. What an awful, superficial existence for sure! You totally lost me here. What is the relationship between people who hate each other, psychosis, and mental health professionals struggling with psychopathology? What do they have to do with each other? What you say about psychosis "spreading" makes no sense to me--I have worked with many people having psychotic disorders and have no clue what you are talking about here. And I don't think "hatred" or "psychosis" on the part of clients really has anything to do with mental health professionals having mental health issues.
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Post by nodog on Jun 24, 2008 18:06:14 GMT -5
All depends on what YOU see.
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Post by Sleazy E on Jun 24, 2008 19:04:57 GMT -5
Doc I was talking about how hatred is learned (making it contagious) and in the city you run in to a lot of bias people whether they be bias of a race or sexuality or people from another block... they harbor hatred for those people.... some (not all) children that grow up seeing this hatred are infected with the same hatred of the same group.... this is how we get gangs....
The shrinks and their learned psychosis is a very common phenomenon (and I was using it as an example of what I was saying about hate) There is a reason that when I was a CO on the unit for the criminally insane and the suicidal inmates we were only allowed to work the unit for 2 weeks before we had to take a different unit for a week. When surrounded by people who believe in an alternate reality it can easily confuse your sense of reality.
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Post by dbd870 on Jun 24, 2008 19:33:32 GMT -5
OK, that makes sense. It just amazes me how someone can get so defensive about a city and how it can turn into the center of the universe for someone. Indeed, it's no way to live.
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Post by drgreyhound on Jun 25, 2008 4:43:19 GMT -5
Could you please provide some links to some professional literature or sources on the frequency of mental health professionals getting "learned psychosis" from those they work with? If it is a very common phenomenon, it shouldn't be hard to do. I must admit I'm racking my brain to figure out what the heck you're talking about here. I assume you are not talking about shared psychotic disorder, which occurs only within very close relationships (each person has no contact with anyone else and is in a close relationship with each other) and at an extremely low frequency according to the DSM-IV-TR. I worked as a caregiver on an inpatient unit for people with psychotic disorders for many months, and can safely say at least anecdotally that none of us working there experienced impairment in our objectivity as a result. It was one of the most rewarding work experiences I could have ever imagined having, and I didn't want to (or need to) be moved after 2 weeks for the sake of my mental health. Everyone pretty much liked the job and didn't have to or want to be moved. I also did therapy in a correctional facility for just under a year, and I have no idea why you are assuming suicidal offenders are always psychotic (or that psychotic offenders are always suicidal). Maybe you are saying that you think psychosis and suicidality are causally related, which is not necessarily true either. I have to admit that the COs always scared me to death with their lack of knowledge of what mental illness really was and its consequences for the offender and population in the facility.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jun 25, 2008 5:50:28 GMT -5
I'll set this inning out & let doc pitch...
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Post by Sleazy E on Jun 25, 2008 8:26:24 GMT -5
I was not saying that suicide and psychosis are related.. (anymore than with normal society).. I was say that the inmates we housed were the insane and the suicidal.... each being a separate entity.
As far as where I get my information that is actually from my wifes psychiatrist who had to take a short leave and checked herself in to Katherine Hamilton for depression and suicidal thoughts. She is the one that told my wife (who in turn told me because I voiced my concern over the situation) that it is a very common occurrence and in a lot of cases much worse than just depression.
I don't claim to be educated in any fashion.... in fact I admittedly know far less than you do about this subject Doc... If you say it is not possible than I will take your word... However before my wife started seeing a shrink I worked at the prison... and in a briefing by the warden those of us that got the rotation to the max unit and the acutely insane unit were told the reason for the two week rotation was to ensure that we stayed mentally healthy.... So there must be at least something to it.
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Post by huxbux on Jun 25, 2008 9:38:46 GMT -5
I'll set this inning out & let doc pitch... But stay out in the bullpen D.T., just in case we start to understand these posts. ;D
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Post by huxbux on Jun 25, 2008 9:43:45 GMT -5
Sounds like liberalism to me.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Jun 25, 2008 11:07:49 GMT -5
I'll be sitting in the stands for this one. This is way over my head.
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Post by drgreyhound on Jun 25, 2008 12:01:10 GMT -5
Sounds like liberalism to me. As silly as it sounds, "shared psychotic disorder" (or "folie a deux") is actually a diagnosable DSM-IV-TR condition (297.3)-- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_psychotic_disorderSo, for the sake of providing comic relief for this thread (which I guess became a barn burner ), maybe liberalism is "folie a millions"??
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Post by dbd870 on Jun 25, 2008 12:04:15 GMT -5
...shows you what I know.....
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Post by indianahick on Jun 25, 2008 12:57:51 GMT -5
I am totally lost and confused. How about the simplest reason in the world. From the time of birth until they die they are told that the only place to be from is that city and that they look down upon us from the country. After all we are the uninformed, unwashed, uneducated as we are from rural America.
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Post by Sleazy E on Jun 25, 2008 13:03:24 GMT -5
Sounds like liberalism to me. As silly as it sounds, "shared psychotic disorder" (or "folie a deux") is actually a diagnosable DSM-IV-TR condition (297.3)-- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_psychotic_disorderSo, for the sake of providing comic relief for this thread (which I guess became a barn burner ), maybe liberalism is " folie a millions"?? ?
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Post by racktracker on Jun 25, 2008 13:15:55 GMT -5
Way over my head.
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Post by dbd870 on Jun 25, 2008 13:26:54 GMT -5
(VERY) Roughly translated; a madness that millions have
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