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Post by cambygsp on Jan 25, 2007 15:55:53 GMT -5
aint NEVER gonna happen
Deer season is a cash cow for our IDNR.......they will never give an inch on that
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 25, 2007 16:09:28 GMT -5
I'm starting to repeat myself but good analysis again pbr. Although I'd probably leave gun season alone.
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Post by cambygsp on Jan 26, 2007 6:25:16 GMT -5
My ideas for deer hunting:
1. No nonresident deer tags ever. In order to offset the loss of revenue to the IDNR they can add an additional tax to all sporting goods.
Deer are gods creatures, not Indiana resident creatures. I don't think any state would ever outlaw non-resident hunting of deer. IMO your #1 is very selfish
2. No buck hunting allowed for three years with one exception. In counties that have a four or more bonus tags a person could earn a buck tag in that county only by harvesting the county limit.
WHY?........with a OBR the killing of buck deer is no longer an issue........RIGHT?
3. Bow season would start September 15 and end November 15.
I see no problem with starting 09/15.....but I think modern deer management is really looking at extending it out till the end of January
4. The first weekend in November would be a crossbow and primitive muzzleloader season.
That could happen!
5. Gun season would run from Saturday to the following Sunday during the week of Thanksgiving.
It already covers that time. If you are talking about reducing general firearm to just that time?........NEVER HAPPEN! The gun hunter is still the majority group, shrink Indiana's general firearm season and October will never be the same.
6. The modern muzzleloader season would run from Saturday to the following Sunday during the week of Christmas.
I think it already does
This would address most of the concerns by adding an early muzzleloader, allowing crossbows, opening the bow season earlier, shortening the gun season, and placing it out of the rut. In addition, it would keep nonresidents from taking away opportunities of residents and increase the number of older bucks in the herd.
I don't see it
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Post by woodmaster on Jan 26, 2007 7:59:53 GMT -5
1. No nonresident deer tags ever. In order to offset the loss of revenue to the IDNR they can add an additional tax to all sporting goods.
[glow=red,2,300]Whats the reason behind this? What opportunities are the non residents taking away from us? This isn't Illinois where outfitters have land leased up. I'm sure my next door neighbor wont understand this when he buys a baseball glove and has to pay more for it.[/glow]
2. No buck hunting allowed for three years with one exception. In counties that have a four or more bonus tags a person could earn a buck tag in that county only by harvesting the county limit.
[glow=red,2,300] So YOUR wanting bigger bucks. What about my 8 year old son who has never killed a deer? He has to wait and kill a doe because YOU want bigger bucks? What about that P&Y buck that is 15 yards from my tree eating acorns?...I can't kill it because YOU want bigger bucks?[/glow]
3. Bow season would start September 15 and end November 15.
[glow=red,2,300]No bow hunting around the peak of the rut? I have a lifetime license and your gonna tell me I can't bowhunt the best part of the year?[/glow]4. The first weekend in November would be a crossbow and primitive muzzleloader season.
[glow=red,2,300]Why an early muzzleloader season? Again you hurt the bow hunter by adding guns in the woods during bow season. Why not have crossbows anytime you can hunt with a bow?[/glow]
5. Gun season would run from Saturday to the following Sunday during the week of Thanksgiving.
[glow=red,2,300] This is the only one I agree with you on. Shorten the gun season.[/glow]
6. The modern muzzleloader season would run from Saturday to the following Sunday during the week of Christmas.
This would address most of the concerns by adding an early muzzleloader, allowing crossbows, opening the bow season earlier, shortening the gun season, and placing it out of the rut. In addition, it would keep nonresidents from taking away opportunities of residents and increase the number of older bucks in the herd[glow=red,2,300]...... I agree with allowing crossbows, shortening the gun season and having older bucks in the herd but I don't agree with the way you want to do it.[/glow]
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Post by js2397 on Jan 26, 2007 8:38:55 GMT -5
I have just observed some comments on here and this seems to sum up the opinion of the people. Most are concerned with the loss of opportunity that would come with more nonresident hunters.
Everyone that spends time outdoors enjoying wildlife owes the hunters so I think they could pay an extra dollar for the ball glove.
I do not support the OBR even a little but according to some, the majority does. Their reasoning is bigger bucks. They also seem to not care about letting the kids kill their bucks, as they don’t allow antlered deer during the youth season.
There seem to be many hunters that would like to start bow season earlier.
There also seem to be many people that would like to use crossbows and have an early muzzleloader season.
Bow hunters want to move gun season out of the rut so they shouldn’t be able to hunt during the rut either. It should be a give and take not just a take.
The week of Thanksgiving people have time off and I know there are family obligations but I think they would be able to spend more time in the woods during those 9 days than any other 9 day period.
There are some of these that I would like to see and some that I wouldn’t but I think this sums up how everyone feels.
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Post by pbr on Jan 26, 2007 8:52:34 GMT -5
js2397,
I think you have done an excellent job in capturing what some people want in deer hunting. Thanks for posting that up.
Please don't feel put upon by the negative comments about what you posted.
The problem lies in that for every "want" there is an offsetting "want".
To get a majority of deer hunters to agree on any one thing is a super human task.
If the state had a plan to get every deer hunter in the state a 170" deer, someone would gripe that they would want a 180" deer, just so they could be above the crowd.
Unfortunately most deer hunters look at a proposal and the first thing that pops into their minds is "What's, in it for me? If I personally don't benefit from it or if it negatively impacts me in the slightest, I dint want it."
Deer hunters have become part of the ME generation..
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Post by Chucker on Jan 26, 2007 9:49:16 GMT -5
Well im for more oppertunitys longer seasons,Cheaper deer tags,More weapon choices,Dont cut any season and add more.So to sum it up for me:
Longer seasons
Cheaper tags 1 tag for all legal deer...
Crossbows legel all season
Primitive m/l season
Rifles legal
Jan m/z season
Extend bow season to Feb 1
Allow earn a buck so if you harvest 4 does you get an extra buck tag
Lanch tel e check to check deer in.
Im for more more more not less less less. The deer herd according to the state is healty and growing so no problem with added oppertunitys and less restrictions,,,Just me 2 cents worth,Chuck
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Post by larryhagmansliver on Jan 26, 2007 16:18:11 GMT -5
Interesting post. Even though a lot of people don't agree with it, I found it interesting. I often cyber design my idea of what the hunting regulations should be. I don't do it to change anything, but just to think about it. I do like the idea of a early muzzle loader season, but am not going to ever press for it.
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Post by hunter480 on Jan 26, 2007 16:36:25 GMT -5
My ideas for deer hunting: 1. No nonresident deer tags ever. In order to offset the loss of revenue to the IDNR they can add an additional tax to all sporting goods. Deer are gods creatures, not Indiana resident creatures. I don't think any state would ever outlaw non-resident hunting of deer. IMO your #1 is very selfish 2. No buck hunting allowed for three years with one exception. In counties that have a four or more bonus tags a person could earn a buck tag in that county only by harvesting the county limit. WHY?........with a OBR the killing of buck deer is no longer an issue........RIGHT? 3. Bow season would start September 15 and end November 15. I see no problem with starting 09/15.....but I think modern deer management is really looking at extending it out till the end of January To point one, sorry, but you`re wrong-the game does indeed belong to the state, therefore, Indiana certainly could legally as well as morally deny non-residents the opportunity to hunt here. This is the only point I agree with. To point two-as I`ve stated twice before, the deer here don`t need to be chased, hunted or harrassed any more than they already are-they`re already hunted better than 3 months, and that should be plenty-they don`t need to be stressed through the heart of winter when it`s a daily life and death struggle for them just to find food. |
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Post by danf on Jan 26, 2007 16:44:46 GMT -5
Guys, you need to remember that bow season DOES start on September 15. It's not state-wide, but there *are* 7-8 areas in the state that do start that early.
Personally, I see no problem starting on September 15 and ending January 31 (statewide) for bow, and keeping everything else the same. Adding additional equipment doesn't interest me personally, but I'm not necessarily opposed to it either. I do see no reason why cross-bows couldn't be allowed during firearms season. I can't understand why they aren't currently allowed then.
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Post by racktracker on Jan 26, 2007 18:32:41 GMT -5
Adding additional equipment doesn't interest me personally, but I'm not necessarily opposed to it either. I do see no reason why cross-bows couldn't be allowed during firearms season. I can't understand why they aren't currently allowed then. Who would hunt wth one then? I'll bet you can almost count on your fingers and toes the number of bowhunters statewide that are out there in firearm season with a bow. Why would it be any different if they legalized crossbows for firearm season? Peopel will usually go with the most efficient method of taking the deer. Bring in bow season on September 1 or 15th and crossbow season in on November 1. Both would go right on through firearm season and into the late bow season.That gives the bowhunters abouit two whole months by themselves. The crossbowers would get 11 to 17 days along wth the bowhunters depending on when firearm season comes in during any given year. That is a very small season, but I'm sure the crossbowers would take it. It's only one buck so who cares if it's killed with a bow on September 15th , a crossbow on November 12th or a gun on November 12th? BTW - Crossbows are not firearms. |
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Post by firstwd on Jan 26, 2007 23:13:23 GMT -5
That is a very small season, but I'm sure the crossbowers would take it. It's only one buck so who cares if it's killed with a bow on September 15th , a crossbow on November 12th or a gun on November 12th?
With the OBR, why do crossbows have to wait? Why can't they take a deer October 1? Buck or doe, there is a limit on both and maybe some of the counties with high anterless tags could start showing a reduction in deer numbers.
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Post by danf on Jan 26, 2007 23:42:29 GMT -5
I'm not saying it would make a difference if cross-bows were included during firearms season. I just see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed. It would be a VERY small percentage of the hunters in the woods on opening morning of shotgun who carried cross-bows, but then again, I bet there's a VERY small percentage that go out that same morning with currently allowed archery gear.
I'd almost be willing to bet that a high percentage of that small percentage that does go out with archery equipment on firearms opening morning, are hunting UZ bucks and have already "buck tagged-out" during early bow....
Not that that makes a bit of difference though.
I'm not sure I'm ready for cross-bows to be allowed from November 1 till firearms close (in addition to late archery), but I think I might be OK with allowing them for a week before the firearms opener. At least for a year or two, then re-evaluate. I know, I know, most normal years the Saturday prior to firearms opener is pretty darn close to Nov. 1, but then you get into the situation we had last year.
My concern isn't yahoo's going out and shooting up the woods with crossbows. My concern is yahoo's buying crossbows thinking they will be able to take 50+ yard killing shots. *I* know they don't have much (if any) more range than modern compounds, but ask any "average Joe" hunter and they will probably tell you they do. It's these "average Joe" hunters that will see a crossbow as an easy means of getting a deer earlier than they normally do, and go out and buy one for that purpose.
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Post by indianahick on Jan 27, 2007 11:20:27 GMT -5
I see no problem with crossbows coming in during firearms and running thru the end of late Archery. After all normal archery equipment is legal during firearms if you want to use it. Personally I think that crossbows are heavy, awkward to use, and probably a pain in the neck to carry with a climber. On the plus side once you got it cocked it would be easier to use than a normal compound with all of the cold weather gear that some of us wear.
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Post by tenring on Jan 27, 2007 19:16:08 GMT -5
Way too much down time on your hands!
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