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Post by drs on Aug 12, 2007 12:28:22 GMT -5
Timex, I stand by what I posted. We'll just have to agree to disagree. <Thanks>
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 12, 2007 13:20:35 GMT -5
I would hunt public ground before leasing anything in Indiana for more than $2 an acre. So, the ehd was more prevalent in areas with bigger deer herds only because there are more deer to get the illness and be found sick or dead(just a probabilities thing)? Or was ehd not more prevalent in areas of higher population?
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Post by drs on Aug 12, 2007 13:37:22 GMT -5
I would hunt public ground before leasing anything in Indiana for more than $2 an acre. So, the ehd was more prevalent in areas with bigger deer herds only because there are more deer to get the illness and be found sick or dead(just a probabilities thing)? Or was ehd not more prevalent in areas of higher population? No Hoosier Deer Hunter should bear the extra expense of hunting through leasing, unless he wants to. Concerning EHD: Deer "1" is infected by a bite inwhich it is once again bitten by a midge, which carries the disease to other deer in the area. This is the way it's spread by the midge bitting an affected Deer then passing it on to another Deer. Population density makes the chances of catching the disease more likely.
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Post by drs on Aug 12, 2007 13:57:51 GMT -5
Interesting notation:
Transmission and Development
The mode of transmission of EHD in nature is via a Culicoides biting fly or gnat. Culicoides variipennis is the most commonly incriminated vector in North America. A common observation in outbreaks involving large numbers of deer - as in Michigan, New Jersey and Alberta - is that they are single epizootics which do not recur. All documented outbreaks of EHD have occurred during late summer and early fall (August-October) and have ceased abruptly with the onset of frost. Experimentally, the disease can be transmitted to susceptible deer by the inoculation of virus-laden material from infected deer by subcutaneous, intramuscular, intravenous or oral routes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2007 14:23:24 GMT -5
David, cut and paste the part where it says that leasing is a factor. Then do the same where it says that higher deer densities are a factor. You can't find either.
IF the deer density is ONE deer per sq, mile, it can still contact EHD and die, same as IF the deer density is 100 deer per sq. mile.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 12, 2007 15:03:18 GMT -5
If EHD strikes you will find more dead ones in a highly populated area as the midges have more targets, period.
Dry conditions will dry up small watering holes and the deer will congregate more at less water holes. Same with congregating at feeders.
The more congregated the deer are the more susceptible they are to any disease.
Just like humans. if your neighbor has the flu and he comes to your party chances are some folks at your party will catch it. Again, congregation.
That is one reason I do not like hospitals as that is where the sick people are.
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Post by jrbhunter on Aug 12, 2007 22:06:52 GMT -5
No Hoosier Deer Hunter should bear the extra expense of hunting through leasing, unless he wants to. What the heck? Read that out loud three times... seriously. ;D There are hundreds of thousands of acres of public property in this state. There are hundreds, probably thousands, of farmers willing to let ANYONE hunt on their property in Indiana. Anyone that leases- does so because they want too. I get tired of all the whining and crying about access; either hunt public ground, muster up enough confidence and personality to gain access on private landowners, go purchase your own property or PAY FOR A LEASE. It's that simple- if you want to hunt you'll have to exert some effort in lining up a place to do it. I found three pockets of EHD kills last year in September, across three counties. Each of those watering holes containing rotting deer was on state property.... I seriously doubt the buzzards circling overhead could even see a piece of leased property.
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Post by drs on Aug 13, 2007 6:41:32 GMT -5
No Hoosier Deer Hunter should bear the extra expense of hunting through leasing, unless he wants to. What the heck? Read that out loud three times... seriously. ;D There are hundreds of thousands of acres of public property in this state. There are hundreds, probably thousands, of farmers willing to let ANYONE hunt on their property in Indiana. Anyone that leases- does so because they want too. I get tired of all the whining and crying about access; either hunt public ground, muster up enough confidence and personality to gain access on private landowners, go purchase your own property or PAY FOR A LEASE. It's that simple- if you want to hunt you'll have to exert some effort in lining up a place to do it. I found three pockets of EHD kills last year in September, across three counties. Each of those watering holes containing rotting deer was on state property.... I seriously doubt the buzzards circling overhead could even see a piece of leased property. I have never had any good luck Deer Hunting on public ground in Indiana. I personally do not have to lease, as the areas I hunt are owned by family firends plus I have 15 acres on my place inwhich to hunt. However many, who enjoy hunting do not have that luxury, thus the number of Hunter drop each and every year. You might have no problem leasing, jrbhunter, but many average hunters can't afford the lease fee which can run them $500 per year. If you are tired of the "whining & crying" then don't participate in this thread.
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Post by drs on Aug 13, 2007 6:43:03 GMT -5
David, cut and paste the part where it says that leasing is a factor. Then do the same where it says that higher deer densities are a factor. You can't find either. IF the deer density is ONE deer per sq, mile, it can still contact EHD and die, same as IF the deer density is 100 deer per sq. mile. I'll let you do the "cutting & pasting, "Timex", as you seem to be the "Expert" here.
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Post by drs on Aug 13, 2007 6:44:18 GMT -5
If EHD strikes you will find more dead ones in a highly populated area as the midges have more targets, period. Dry conditions will dry up small watering holes and the deer will congregate more at less water holes. Same with congregating at feeders. The more congregated the deer are the more susceptible they are to any disease. Just like humans. if your neighbor has the flu and he comes to your party chances are some folks at your party will catch it. Again, congregation. That is one reason I do not like hospitals as that is where the sick people are. Great observation & post,Woody!
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Post by jrbhunter on Aug 13, 2007 12:17:53 GMT -5
1.) I have never had any good luck Deer Hunting on public ground in Indiana. 2.) However many, who enjoy hunting do not have that luxury, thus the number of Hunter drop each and every year. 3.) You might have no problem leasing, jrbhunter, but many average hunters can't afford the lease fee which can run them $500 per year. 4.) If you are tired of the "whining & crying" then don't participate in this thread. 1.) Your inadequacies in the field have little to do with this topic. There are ABUNDANT populations of whitetail deer on state property- some of my best hunting is done on state and federal ground that most folks are too lazy to walk too. 2.) That “luxury” of some private ground is not a requirement for hunting! That’s not the primary reason for declining numbers of hunters, and if it is- it’s because they are lazy. 3.) I never said I lease. I don’t lease, but I still know $500 ain’t gonna buy you much. Do some research man! 4.) I’m tired of hunters in general whining about land access in general. I have no problem finding state land, I have no problem getting private access and I ain’t nothing special.
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Post by drs on Aug 13, 2007 13:23:08 GMT -5
Your inadequacies in the field have little to do with this topic. There are ABUNDANT populations of whitetail deer on state property- some of my best hunting is done on state and federal ground that most folks are too lazy to walk too.
So you question my adequacy on this subject/issue? Let me tell you I hold a degree in Biology + a degree in Business/Marketing. Concerning the "abundant population" of Deer on public land, here in Indiana, it is my finding, that only those areas, that hold special hunts, to control over population, have that number of abundance. Also, I am certainly NOT one of those "Lazy" individuals
That “luxury” of some private ground is not a requirement for hunting! That’s not the primary reason for declining numbers of hunters, and if it is- it’s because they are lazy.
The reason for the declining number of Hunters is a complex issue. But it all boils down to the expense of Hunting, which has become out-of-reach for many, plus many simply have no where to Hunt, so they get another hobby or past time.
I never said I lease. I don’t lease, but I still know $500 ain’t gonna buy you much. Do some research man!
You got one thing right here inthat $500 doesn't buy much of a quality lease! I did do some research.
I’m tired of hunters in general whining about land access in general. I have no problem finding state land, I have no problem getting private access and I ain’t nothing special.
Again, you don't have to respond to this thread if you are tired of it. If you are satisified hunting on IDNR land which is poorly underfunded, then that's fine. Also I never said you were special, and if you have access to private land then that is fine too. Just don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about. How much education have you had??
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Post by drs on Aug 13, 2007 13:23:59 GMT -5
Woody, some how this thread has really got off track. I thought it was about EHD.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 13, 2007 14:45:36 GMT -5
Woody, some how this thread has really got off track. I thought it was about EHD. It was until post #6 when "leasing" was introduced into it.
It has been off and on topic ever since..
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Post by jrbhunter on Aug 13, 2007 18:37:14 GMT -5
Let me tell you I hold a degree in Biology + a degree in Business/Marketing.
Well, all that impressive edumacation is overridden by your agenda to degrade the concept of leasing here. One could just as easily make the claim that liberals have promoted EHD, by limiting gun rights and supporting vegetarianism. Where’s the logic?
Concerning the over abundance of Deer on public land, here in Indiana, it is my finding, that only those areas, that hold special hunts, to control over population, have that number of abundance.
Absolutely Ridiculous! I don’t know how else to argue it- it’s pushing for the most outrageous claim you’ve made in this thread and THAT is a pretty stout title.
Again, you don't have to respond to this thread if you are tired of it. If you are satisified hunting on IDNR land which is poorly underfunded, then that's fine.
My hope is, that arguing with you will somehow open the eyes of other sportsmen consumed by helplessness. There are many opportunities out there for them- and those who choose to lease property aren’t causing any diseases.
What does the funding of a piece of state property have to do with anything? Do you need a paved parking spot, a diving board at the swimming pool, and free maps readily available? The further you get from those amenities the better the hunting; maybe that’s why your supposed experience with public ground didn’t go well?!
Also I never said you were special
You implied that, somehow, all these other hoosiers don’t have the same opportunities that I do. You said they’ve got no place to hunt- and you’re wrong.
don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about. How much education have you had??
1.) You don’t know what you’re talking about.
2.) I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering and one in Architectural Design. My secretary has a degree in Business Management.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2007 18:58:02 GMT -5
Woody, some how this thread has really got off track. I thought it was about EHD. LOL....dang, wonder how that happened???
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 13, 2007 18:59:16 GMT -5
I've often found in particpating on the intenet when posters start comparing education and degrees then it starting to get a little too personal.
Please get back on the subject guys..
EHD is an important subject so I would hate to shut this one down..
Thanks..
Back to the subject...
I've heard some this year's case reports in numerous southern states where EHD is almost an every year occurance in or the other..
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Post by jrbhunter on Aug 13, 2007 19:47:20 GMT -5
Back to the subject...I've heard some this year's case reports in numerous southern states where EHD is almost an every year occurance in or the other. You lost me there Woody........ ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2007 19:53:28 GMT -5
I've heard some this year's case reports in numerous southern states where EHD is almost an every year occurance in or the other.. Woody, that's correct. Once a state has it, it will reappear, ALMOST every year. So, far, it's not been a show stopper in any of the many, many places that it's showed up in.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 13, 2007 20:00:31 GMT -5
Back to the subject...I've heard some this year's case reports in numerous southern states where EHD is almost an every year occurance in or the other. You lost me there Woody........ ? Sorry.. My words weren't very plain, eh? I'm seeing some reports of some EHD cases coming in from various southern states (one on our border). Most of the biologists said, "Yep, it is happening. It happens almost every year and the deer are still thriving and mulitplying." EHD has probably been around forever...
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