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Post by hoosier on Dec 1, 2006 21:11:26 GMT -5
I was told that a Clay county newspaper reported that in a 4 county area including Clay county, that 2/3 of their herds have been lost to EHD! Can anybody confirm this as being in the newspaper? Possibly the "Brazil Times"?
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Post by BIGHORN on Dec 1, 2006 22:05:58 GMT -5
Yes, that is what it said.
It states, "Some areas ere not affected by the disease and in other areas, up to 2/3 of the population may have dies, " Zimmerman said.
Shawn
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Post by hoosier on Dec 1, 2006 23:23:36 GMT -5
Thanks Shawn. Who is Zimmerman by the way?
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Post by BIGHORN on Dec 2, 2006 10:45:13 GMT -5
District 6 Fish and Wildlife Biologist
Shawn
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Post by hoosier on Dec 2, 2006 13:11:01 GMT -5
thanks again.
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Post by drs on Dec 2, 2006 15:05:00 GMT -5
I was told that a Clay county newspaper reported that in a 4 county area including Clay county, that 2/3 of their herds have been lost to EHD! Can anybody confirm this as being in the newspaper? Possibly the "Brazil Times"? I had a feeling that this was going to happen in the Central Indiana Counties. |
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Post by BIGHORN on Dec 2, 2006 17:11:37 GMT -5
Ya, it sucks !!!!!
All of the check-in stations and Processors are sitting on their thumbs doing much of nothing !!!!
One stated it is the worst season he has ever seen !!!!!
Gonna take several years for the herd population to rebound from this !!!!
Shawn
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Post by hp on Dec 2, 2006 22:00:32 GMT -5
I hunt Parke county,rest assure, i think all those deer have not died, just moved to my woods.I've seen WAY more deer than in the past,Go figure
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Post by drs on Dec 3, 2006 9:16:27 GMT -5
Ya, it sucks !!!!! All of the check-in stations and Processors are sitting on their thumbs doing much of nothing !!!! One stated it is the worst season he has ever seen !!!!! Gonna take several years for the herd population to rebound from this !!!! Shawn It looks more & more, that these effected counties will NOT have bonus deer tags or either sex hunt/harvest, but rather a Buck Only rule for the next several seasons. |
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Post by danf on Dec 3, 2006 9:46:59 GMT -5
Is that your opinion, or have you actually talked to someone at the DNR about it?
If they actually do it, I believe it will need to be set up in zones. Putnam County was hit, but I haven't seen any difference here around me....
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Post by drs on Dec 3, 2006 16:20:09 GMT -5
Is that your opinion, or have you actually talked to someone at the DNR about it? If they actually do it, I believe it will need to be set up in zones. Putnam County was hit, but I haven't seen any difference here around me.... Only a "Gut" feeling. Studies need to be conducted, by the IDNR, before reaching any conclusion. |
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Post by danf on Dec 3, 2006 20:39:01 GMT -5
If any proposal is made for a county-wide restriction on does, there will be a MAJOR uproar I'm sure. It would be hard to enforce, but the only way to restrict any/all doe harvest would be by townships. Certain areas were hit harder than others, and setting boundary areas inside of the county lines WOULD BE necessary!
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Post by hunter480 on Dec 3, 2006 21:01:46 GMT -5
If any proposal is made for a county-wide restriction on does, there will be a MAJOR uproar I'm sure. It would be hard to enforce, but the only way to restrict any/all doe harvest would be by townships. Certain areas were hit harder than others, and setting boundary areas inside of the county lines WOULD BE necessary! So what you`re saying danf, is that MOST hunters are poachers, since any new restrictions on doe harvest would be "hard to enforce". If that is the case, I`d rather be working on turning in poachers than be a hunter myself. I`d just as soon NOT be connected by name to such criminals. I asked this very same question a couple months back, when I suggested that we might see modifications to current deer harvest quotas due to the outbreak of EHD in west-central Indiana. Certainly, any modifications would have to be very area specific, and will the DNR consider this, or will they simply leave everything in place, as is, understanding that the availability of deer to kill will be it`s own modification to the quota limit? Dunno. What I DO know is that I don`t care for your prediction that many hunters will become poachers if they dislike DNR quota restrictions. |
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Post by gpzyellow on Dec 3, 2006 21:40:39 GMT -5
Isn't is amazing that clay county this year was a 8 bonus deer county and from the miserable year I've had in clay county I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't dropped or cut down to 1 anterless deer next year. The most deer I saw at one time this year in the woods was 2, where in years past I would see six to ten in a day. It was a very disappointing year
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Post by danf on Dec 3, 2006 22:15:51 GMT -5
So what you`re saying danf, is that MOST hunters are poachers, since any new restrictions on doe harvest would be "hard to enforce". That's not at all what I was trying to say. May not have come out correctly between the mind and the fingers.  No where did I say that "MOST hunters are poachers", did I? What I was getting at is if they break down the affected areas into townships and restrict those townships to zero or one antlerless deer, then how will they keep track of who has shot what and where? Somehow I doubt that they know if hunter "A" has shot 4 deer in Putnam County and 4 deer in Tippecanoe. Likewise how will they be able to keep track of where in Putnam those 4 deer were killed if they put township restrictions into place? Who is to say that they were all killed in Jackson Township and not Monroe, Floyd, Franklin, Russel, Greencastle, Washinton or Clinton Townships? That is what I was getting at. And yes, anyone violating any restrictions would be poaching, and I do agree that we should work to get them out of the woods. I don't see it being "most" hunters. I certainly hope it's not any hunters at all that would break any future laws. All that being said, let's just play "wait-and-see" on next year's quota, shall we? |
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Post by hoosier on Dec 3, 2006 23:10:05 GMT -5
Isn't it a shame that in an area that held 50 deer last year and only 5 this year, some guys are willing to shoot the first mature doe to walk by? Thankfully alot of hunters in my area aren't so short-sighted and have voluntarily laid off the few precious does left in the areas hardest hit with EHD. I wish all were like-minded.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 4, 2006 6:22:17 GMT -5
It is apparent from reading this thread that a lot of people need to calm down. This is not the first time and EHD outbreak has occurred in Indiana, nor is it likely to be the last. The deer herd will rebound.
The severity of the outbreak is directly related to the size of the deer herd. Whenever hunters fail to take enough does to keep the herd in check, it is only is only a matter of time before Nature steps in and takes care of the problem. Now that the herd has been reduced in some of these counties the IDNR has a golden opportunity to keep the herd at a reasonable level. Eliminating doe permits would be one of the dumbest things they could do and I for one, hope that they do not cave into the pressure to do so. That kind of thinking is short term wise and long term foolish.
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Post by drs on Dec 4, 2006 8:12:09 GMT -5
If any proposal is made for a county-wide restriction on does, there will be a MAJOR uproar I'm sure. It would be hard to enforce, but the only way to restrict any/all doe harvest would be by townships. Certain areas were hit harder than others, and setting boundary areas inside of the county lines WOULD BE necessary! An uproar may or may not occure due to restricting bag or sex limits on Deer in these areas. Remember, the welfare of the total Deer Herd is MORE important than a Hunter bringing in a harvested Deer, that might indanger the population dynamatics & density or a ratio of Buck to Doe. |
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Post by racktracker on Dec 4, 2006 9:39:01 GMT -5
Deer are very prolific. 2 years from now you'll never know you had EHD in the area.
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Post by drs on Dec 4, 2006 10:43:57 GMT -5
Deer are very prolific. 2 years from now you'll never know you had EHD in the area. ONLY if EHD ends in that given area. The same thing can occure next year.  |
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No where did I say that "MOST hunters are poachers", did I?
