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Post by TagTeamHunter on Oct 25, 2006 20:00:48 GMT -5
Too each his own. For me I am seeing hunting through my son's eyes. I enjoy hunting and the meat of course; but, it's a ends to a mean. Hunting is something that we can share even when he grows up.
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 25, 2006 21:48:02 GMT -5
I'm sure you didn' mean to, but for those that like to hunt big antlered deer, i would take this part of your post as disrespecting. Why would a hunter, that isn't particullarly out for the big rack, think that the big rack hunter doesn't enjoy the same things that all hunters should enjoy. Only difference i see, is the big antlered hunter isn't going to shoot just anything.
Just like you, i think its all whatever the hunter wants to shoot with their 24$ tag. With that being said, i don't see how anyone can complain about getting restriced on what they shoot with the laws that we currently have.
*IF the majority of hunters would rather kill large antlered deer, shouldn't the DNR do something more for the majority of hunters, instead of the minority?
Lug
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Post by indianahick on Oct 25, 2006 23:21:34 GMT -5
A Trophy Buck oh my oh my gosh did I ever see a huge trophy buck, this dude should make the state book with ease. Wide wide antlers must extend past his ears by 10-12 inches on each side, long tines, at least six to a side and none less than what I would guess to be at least 10 inches, big big bruiser must weigh at least 275. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ The year was 1978. As far as I know no one ever got him but I seen him.
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Post by mbogo on Oct 26, 2006 5:38:12 GMT -5
I really don't get all the rancor directed at people, such as Jim Zumbo, that have the oppurtunity to hunt all over the world or are fortunate enough to be able to hunt for a living. I guess it is just natural jealousy, but personally I would rather work on maximizing my own oppurtunities rather than belittling someone with more oppurtunity.
DEC, did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, he simply enjoys hunting bear, being in bear country, the challenge of stalking a bear, and that the "trophy" is secondary or unimportant. And how exactly does his choice of weapon make him less of a hunter, or his opinion less valid?
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Post by dec on Oct 26, 2006 6:16:44 GMT -5
Why do I even try to post anything that has to do with any type of trophy that might go on the wall on this web site? You would think I would learn by now.
I'm done.
Zumbo can do what or say what he pleases to sell articles in magazines. The man is a hypocrite, IMO.
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Post by racktracker on Oct 26, 2006 8:05:51 GMT -5
DEC,
I think everyone on here that deer hunts would like to down a big trophy buck. Some go out of their way just to hunt these big bucks and some are satisfied with a deer, any deer.
Niether group is wrong. There is no wrong in hunting when we are hunting for ourselves.
What is wrong is that one group says that everyone should think and hunt like they do.
I have never seen you post that and this is not directed at you at all. So please do not take it personally.
What Zumbo is talking about is the almighty fixation with antlers that people and groups will do anything that they can to try and get just a little bit bigger buck.
I agree with him 100% except the deer farm thing.
In all my years I have never heard a deer hunter tell a trophy hunter that he should not be a trophy hunter. On the flip side, I wish I had a dollar for everytime I've heard a deer hunter say or post - "brown and downer", "weekend warrior", "dink killer", "nimrod", "orange army", "slickhead killer", etc, etc. I'd be able to pay cash and take that hunt in Alberta I've been wanting to do.
So when a deer hunters or a group of deer hunters start to tell a person how they should hunt and even going so far as to get the DNR to go along with them, then you're danged right that person will get defensive.
BTW - I don't see this site as anti-trophy hunting at all. It appears that Woody is in to it.
hunter480's post hits the mark..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2006 8:16:15 GMT -5
racktracker, I would agree that there is an eliment of trophy hunters (not all but there are some) that take a little bit of an elitist attitude about it.
It is the same thing with guys who hunt exclusively with bow. Go to Bowsite sometime and you will find quite a few that look down their noses at folks who hunt with guns.
It also exists in the fishing community among fly fishermen..."anyone who uses livebait to take a fish is lazy" and so on.
It all becomes quite tiresome. I don't think DEC is really trying to be one of those elitists though, from what I have read.
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Post by racktracker on Oct 26, 2006 8:34:47 GMT -5
I don't think DEC is really trying to be one of those elitists though, from what I have read. I agree. That is why I posted about DEC - "I have never seen you post that and this is not directed at you at all. So please do not take it personally." But, as you said there are a bunch out there that think their feces doesn't stink and think nothing about putting down other hunters and telling them how they should hunt.
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Post by indianahick on Oct 26, 2006 10:30:34 GMT -5
I posted that about the huge buck (although I really did see it and it was awsome.) actually to show how easy it is to get cought up in the trophy side of hunting. All you have to do is watch the hunting shows which should be thought of as nothing more than entertainment and hyping one type of product or another. Its all you hear from someone hunting a pen, let the little one walk, do not shoot that 4 year old 6 point basket, wait until he is 6 or 7 and reaches his potential. Oh yeah and while your at it come the the Ringer/Leaner hunting pen ranch. As for Zumbo, well I think that he would rather wander the high wild lonesome mountians of the west and western Canada chaseing big bears and elk. My take on his article was that just trophy hunting is not really good deer management. Let the babies walk but do not be ashamed to take a nice 3 year old basket rack either. Nor should anyone look down upon those that take that basket rack. My first buck (yes he is on the wall) measures 17 inches between his main beams, he is a relative of that monster I told you about earlier, same antler type, my biggest buck 240 lbs field dressed Is all palmated and maybe 12 inches between antlers. Hunting now means more to me than it did when I was 40 or 50. Iam happy to be able to hunt and enjoy it. Any buck I shoot now is a trophy whether it is a little 140 lb 7 point or a 200 lb 9 point basket. All does are also trophys, no I have never mounted a doe. Could not then nor can not now afford it. But I have made a lot of gun racks and coat racks from does front legs. Yep ever since the cut a string of 3-5 cancerous lymph nodes out of my neck and enjoying the wonders of chemo and radiation, and all of the blessings that came from them all deer are trophys.
Dec- you are an antler elitest. Keep on posting anyway.
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Post by dec on Oct 26, 2006 11:13:45 GMT -5
Dec- you are an antler elitest. Keep on posting anyway. LOL. Well guys, I'm no elitist. Heck I'd be proud to take a 160 class buck like Zumbo. I had my chance once and blew it. I do have a few respectable racks on the wall and I have a "trophy" room in my basement full of a variety of animals. There are many on this board that I'm sure have put bigger and more animals on the wall then I have. I don't consider hunting a contest sport like so many "trophy" hunters are portrayed to be. I hunt for trophy in any mature animal. Meat is important to me too and it all gets used either by me or those who need it more than I do. I meat hunt, as evident my the number of does I take each year and I honestly get as much a charge out of doe hunting as I do mature buck hunting. As many know on here, I've never bashed anyone for what they decide to shoot. It is a very personal thing in what anyone kills. I too have a forkie and a couple basket sixes in my garage from many years ago as a young hunter trying to learn the ropes. I'm proud of them for what they represented in my hunting "career" (for lack of a better term) at the time that I harvested them. For me now, I get more satisfaction watching a young buck walk by and thinking "buddy, this was your lucky day" then I could ever get from releasing an arrow on him. I do it day in and day out in the stand and it is a rush that keeps me going just as much as drawing back on a wall hanger. Now, as far as Zumbo and rack mania. I still think Zumbo is a hypocrite. That is my opinion of the guy. I have little use for a guy that can go on TV to make his living via hunting and sit back on a guided hunt at 300+ yards and pick off the game of his choice, and then in the same breath mention the perils of getting wrapped up in antler mania. Maybe I'm harsh in my judgment of Zumbo and others like him. What they do is not what I call hunting, but who am I to judge. As long as it is legal then by all means take your crack shots at animals while some high dollar guide does all the work for you. That is fine I guess. Just don't be a hypocrite in the process. The trophy hunting bashing rubs me the wrong way, as many here know from my past postings. If I've rubbed some the wrong way with my interpretation of Zumbo and others like him, then sorry. This stuff just gets so old. The same stuff gets hashed around, thrown around, and spun until it turns into some debate that is totally unrelated to the original post. I just get tired of it and often wonder what keeps drawing me back. Must be my 24/7 addiction to hunting. ;D I'm certainly no elitist though. Just a red neck hunter from N.E. Indiana, pretty much like many of you.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 27, 2006 4:45:53 GMT -5
My opinion is that folks should hunt WHAT they want, HOW they want and leave everyone else alone.
If your a fella that hunts only trophy animals.....more power to ya.....just leave the non-selective hunter alone, he's doing what he enjoy's too!
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Post by hp on Oct 27, 2006 15:14:09 GMT -5
Old Iron Sights - I read every stinking word of his article, and in doing so I read that the largest whitetail he's ever taken is a 160 class buck. Also, that he is proud of a small six and all his other deer. Absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. Now, I suggest you watch one of his TV shows or videos and watch all the trophy hunting he does for various other species. He is an avid bear hunter. Now, don't get me wrong, bear meat is not bad eating, but come on, one of the main draws in bear hunting is the trophy aspect. That rich black hide, big skull, big claws. How do I know ... because I've done it. Nothing wrong with it, and yes the meat is getting eaten. But come on, the point of my bear hunt along with many who do it, is to experience an amazing hunt and bring home the trophy. Is trophy/antler mania out of control? Not in my opinion, but I can see how some don't care for it. That is fine and is their choice. But still I find it extremely hypocritical for Jim Zumbo to write an article denouncing the trophy craze when he himself trophy hunts as well as meat hunts. HE'S TALKING ABOUT "TROPHY WHITETAILS" NOT BEARS.HELLO!!!
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Post by dec on Oct 27, 2006 15:44:03 GMT -5
HE'S TALKING ABOUT "TROPHY WHITETAILS" NOT BEARS.HELLO!!! HELLO!!! I know that. I think we cleared this up yesterday. My take on it was trophy hunting in general ... but whatever. Lighten up man. OK to all who are offended about my comments about Mr. Zumbo ... I'm truly sorry. There better. I know I can sleep better tonight. I'm going to say a prayer tonight for help next week in refraining from posting matter that might upset my fellow hunters. I'll try, I swear I'll try. ;D Man I need a beer. I'm just happy that Hunter480 and I were able to remain friends.
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Post by hp on Oct 27, 2006 20:57:39 GMT -5
I think every hunter hopes for a big "TROPHY" buck, I just don't like when others feel its their obligation to push THEIR style on me,through rules and reg. that altar my style of hunting.sorry DEC.
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