Campus Gunman "Went Off Meds."

I have to agree with Sasquatch. Most all these meds they prescribe like candy are the problem IMO. Way too many people taking way too many pills. I've personally known two individuals who's perceived "emotional problems" became nonexistent shortly after being persuaded to quit taking them. The "problem" was the pill. These individuals were only experiencing normal human emotions and instead of being allowed to run their course, they were convinced a pill would make things all better. The pharmaceutical industry has convinced a whole lot of people that they need this or that medication for this or that "problem" which wasn't a problem at all until a med was discovered to treat it. Regardless of how much the "experts" claim they know, the human mind is still pretty much a complete mystery and treating something that's not completely understood with drugs whose affects are not completely understood is exceedingly dangerous IMO.

Emphasis on the disclaimer from 2003 which states this is simply theory.

This is a poorly written piece from the Netherlands for a website that lobbies against the use of SSRIs, so I don't trust their views to reflect a fair, objective, and unbiased evaluation of the professional literature. The fact that it drops "partial truths" (such as the fact that serotonin regulates more than just mood--yes, this is true) and makes conclusions that are unsubstantiated by the studies it cites does not make me trust the content of it. It still does not answer my original question of how "serotonin overload" supposedly caused by SSRIs causes people to behave homicidally. Don't believe everything you read on the internet--especially when it's written for websites whose sole purpose is to lobby for or against a particular cause.

I'm with pigeonflyer.
Some people are plain nut cases, meds or no meds.

I too think diagnosed "depression" is a bunch of B.S.
We all have a choice when we wake up every morning. We can be positive and upbeat or negative and a dork.
Providing meds for something like depression is just creating a legalized junkie.

Diabetes is a physical problem. Depression is not ..... big difference.

So .... let's say your disagreeing with my opinion makes me mad, angry and depressed. Should I run into the emergency room now and have them give me a bottle full of happy pills.

Sheesh .... There are other ways to deal with; low spirits, sadness and gloominess rather than prescriptions. Go visit a friend, go to church, exercise, go fishing, do something charitable, run around the yard naked ... or whatever in the heck makes you happy. The biggest cause of this so-called "depression" illness in my opinion is inactivity and laziness. Sit around the house long enough doing nothing, and people are going to start acting wierd.

I am really suprised we have people here that would blame a pill or a company for these types of actions. Kinda takes the teeth out of fighting gun control. It just don't work both ways.

Too many people take these meds and go on and off of the pills and never kill people. I just don't understand the logic.

I am not debating if depression is real or fake. I am not afflicted with depression and not smart enough to try and defend it.

Correct that depression is (at least partly for most people) a physical problem--and trust me, if anyone is going to say that there are other ways to treat depression than taking meds, it's certainly me (obviously--otherwise I'd be out of a job I'm working many difficult years for); however, I'm not going to deny that meds can be very helpful for a number of people whose brain chemistry is such that they can not engage in therapy the way they need to when they are depressed. How do you figure that the biggest cause of "depression" is laziness and inactivity? Inactivity is a symptom of depression, but how is it the cause? In my opinion, depression can be caused by an interaction of imbalances in brain chemistry and activation of beliefs one has generated about the world based on their life experiences. Individuals with depression are not able to see the world objectively as a result of their illness; therefore, the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" stigmatizing mentality only makes their symptoms worse (as they confirm their twisted belief that they are incapable of doing things right) and makes it less likely that they will seek treatment. Tell a husband who just lost his wife of 50 years who is experiencing his first major depressive episode to "run around the yard naked" to feel better, as this is all he apparently has to do. Tell a guy who got laid off from his job of 30 years to "do something charitable" to lift his depression, because this is apparently all it takes. Anyone who believes this even a little bit has never been unfortunate enough to have suffered from the dark living hell depression is or known someone who has.

Wouldn't it be nice if people actually based their opinions on facts rather than emotions?

If the drugs CAUSED problems, don't you think there would be just a FEW more of the 13.5 MILLION people on medication for "serious" neurochemical disorders out there causing havoc?

These drugs keep people healthy and productive - just like Insulin keeps diabetics healthy and productive. And JUSTLINKE INSULIN, if people don't take it correctly it can cause problems.

But no one is suggesting we find a wayto regulate people with diabetes.

The U.S. Surgeon General has reported that the likelihood of violence by people with mental illness is low. In fact, "the overall contribution of mental disorders to the total level of violence in society is exceptionally small." More often, people living with mental illness are the victims of violence. www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/mentalhealth/

Overall, the amount of violence committed by people with schizophrenia is small, and only 1 percent of the U.S. population has schizophrenia… By comparison, about 2 percent of the general population without psychiatric disorder engages in any violent behavior in a one-year period.

Violence can NEVER be "prevented" by ANY action of Government OR Medicine. Violence can only be STOPPED by the actions of people dedicated to surviving the encounter.

If you want to see where government regulated "mental hygiene" leads read a little history.

Of the number of people killed in the T4 and the 14f13 projects, the following statistics are usually given: adult mental patients from institutions, 80,000 to 100,000; children in institutions, 5,000; special action against Jews in institutions, 1,000; concentration camp inmates transported to killing centers (14f13), 20,000 (Klee estimated that at the end of 1941, some 93,521 `beds' had been emptied for other uses [70,000 patients gassed, plus over 20,000 dead through starvation and medication] - in other words approximately one-third of the places for the mentally ill.) But these figures may well be too low; twice these numbers of people may have perished. The fact is that we do not know and shall probably never know. Elements of deception, imposed chaos, and the destruction of many records make anything like an accurate estimate impossible. www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/euthan.html

Until WWI, eugenics in Germany and the U.S. ran parallel courses. By the middle of the 1930's, more than half the states in the United Sates had passed laws that authorized the sterilization of "inmates of mental institutions, persons convicted more than once of sex crimes, those doomed to be feeble-minded by 10 tests, 'moral degenerate persons,' and epileptics." In the famous Carrie Bell case, the Supreme Court upheld the Virginia law ordering her compulsory sterilization and "presaged the arguments used later to justify eugenic killings in Nazi Germany." www.holocaustresearchproject.org/euthan/t4.html

isurvived.org/Frameset4References-2/-Psychiatric-Eugenic_HOLO.html
www.shoaheducation.com/t4.html
fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/people/USHMMHAN.HTM

The science of psychopharmacuticals may not be 100%, but it's 1000% better than it was just 40 years ago, and infinately better than it was when people in the US thought that involuntary sterilization andhuman experimentation on "mental patients" was OK.

The solution to Violence is Self Defense, not Government Control of People.

Never Again.

Try 99.99% of the cases. They don't do double & triple blind placebo studies and take 15+ years to get FDA approval for nothing.

As does Penicillin, or Latex Gloves for g_d's sake. Some people will react badly to somthing somewhere. That doesn't make the entire industry suspect.



Except to have slasher movie scenes tatooed onto his arms...

The badguy NEVER is anything but a chiorboy to the people who knew him - yet the signs were still there.

He was prescribed medication for a reason. The medication did not permenantly alter him, so saying he was somehow different off the drug after being prescribed the medication than before he had ever taken it denies the basic chemistry of the medication.

But none of that matters. It DOES NOT MATTER WHY SOMEONE IS VIOLENT. What matters is how we deal with it - by punishing the violent person (Self Defense) or by punishing every other person "subject" to the rule of law?

I'm not Jesus. G_d did not create me to be punished for other people's sins.