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Post by dbd870 on Feb 15, 2008 12:37:39 GMT -5
I see he was off his medication; it seem everytime we get a streak of these there is always some kind of theme. This time it's mental issues.
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Post by swilk on Feb 15, 2008 12:44:41 GMT -5
I see he was off his medication; it seem everytime we get a streak of these there is always some kind of theme. This time it's mental issues. It was mental issues last time as well. How long before someone introduces a bill making a psyc eval a part of the process to purchase a gun?
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Post by fftce67 on Feb 15, 2008 12:45:05 GMT -5
well thats might explain some of it but not all......something had to trigger that much anger
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Post by drs on Feb 15, 2008 13:02:58 GMT -5
Both sides of the fence are going to be out in full force on this one ...... One side is going to scream "with more gun laws we can stop this sort of thing ....." The other side is going to scream "if people were allowed to protect themselves we can stop this sort of thing ....." This, and other shooting, of the past, shows that Gun Control Laws are useless. They won't work. <Period>
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Post by swilk on Feb 15, 2008 13:15:51 GMT -5
Both sides of the fence are going to be out in full force on this one ...... One side is going to scream "with more gun laws we can stop this sort of thing ....." The other side is going to scream "if people were allowed to protect themselves we can stop this sort of thing ....." This, and other shooting, of the past, shows that Gun Control Laws are useless. They won't work. <Period> I agree ........ but you know as well as I do that those on the other side of the fence will not see it that way.
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Post by huxbux on Feb 15, 2008 14:24:50 GMT -5
It couldn't have happened. It was a gun free zone, plus Illinois has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. They're obviously working very well.
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Post by Sasquatch on Feb 15, 2008 15:34:39 GMT -5
Show it on the news 24-7, make the shooter famous, make every nutcase want similar fame, watch it happen again.
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Post by drgreyhound on Feb 16, 2008 9:54:12 GMT -5
Not to derail the topic of the thread, but it seems as if it's heading that direction if it's not there already...
Just a thought here--someone could also commit a mass murder with, say, a car...how long will it be before it is legislated that everyone has to undergo a psych eval to buy a car? I guess there's really no good way to predict homicidal ideation based on one's purchases. I've been saying forever that we need to focus more of our collective energies on "fixing" the operator of the gun rather than "fixing" the gun...
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Post by Russ Koon on Feb 16, 2008 11:46:38 GMT -5
I foresee a problem with psych evaluations as a preface for gun purchases.
Actually, two problems......
the first is that with the exception of our own dear doc-to-be, you might have to wade through a lot of psychologists to find a dozen who would grant a clean bill of health to ANYONE who even WANTED to own a gun.
The second is that such a requirement wouldn't do any good. Eighty per cent of guns used in crimes are acquired by means other than legal retail purchase. So, if we were completely successful in stopping the legal purchase of guns by those psychologically unfit to own them, AND if none of those psychological misfits were able to simply go get a gun by the same means now used by eighty per cent of the other criminals, AND they were unable to find an alternate tool with which to kill, then we might reduce the carnage by twenty per cent.
Allowing the law-abiding to possess the means for their own self-defense and the defense of their fellow citizens (as per the Constitution) is the obvious and sensible answer. These are the people who are now the only ones impeded by gun laws. The nutcases certainly aren't, and won't be.
Gun-free zones are merely target-rich environments with a greatly added measure of safety for the killer. Even those killers who intend to kill themselves as part of the package, choose an environment where they can kill multiple times for the most dramatic effect, before ending it. When did you ever hear of one of them going nuts and deciding to shoot the guys at the local skeet club or the conservation club gun range, or even their county sheriff's office?
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