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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Mar 1, 2007 8:41:38 GMT -5
Who on here thinks the cold war was a real threat?Who thinks the military brainwashes the troops?Who thinks terrorism is a real threat?...My English comp teacher says no of this is real,it's just the government trying to keep all of us scared so we will go along with them.He says there is nothing to fear with illegal's crossing over,and people are buying into what he says.You could almost see the sadness in his eyes when Cheney didn't get killed in that bomb attack.I always heard about this stuff going on in the news and on radio talk shows,it's for real.I'd hate to spend 30 or 40 k on my kids education just to see them get their brain messed up..I feel like I'm sitting through a brainwashing session myself,it's miserable..I only have 8 more weeks of the class..If it was up to me I wouldn't take it,but it's required for my degree..
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Post by swilk on Mar 1, 2007 9:29:50 GMT -5
I am assuming you are talking about college courses.
I would go and talk to the department chair and convey the information your professor has been stating in class.
If the department chair feels this sort of message does not parallel the mission statement of the University they should choose to talk to the professor ....... if the professor chooses to ignore the words of the department chair he needs to be placed on administrative leave.
This goes back to freedom of speech .... the professor has the right to say whatever he chooses but he is not released from the consequences of his words.
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Post by tmarsh83 on Mar 1, 2007 10:13:00 GMT -5
Going to the college does nothing. I know, I've been there. I fought tooth and nail for 3 years, and got nothing. The best thing you can do, is research, and when they open their ignorant commie mouth, you shove reality so far down their throat their toenails change color. Nothing es off a high and mighty college professor more than making them look like a fool in front of their herd of hippie sheep.
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Post by tusti on Mar 1, 2007 10:42:04 GMT -5
I think a lot of students go along with or seem to go along with this line of crap for fear of reprisals (bad grades). The whole education system in this country is in big trouble and IMHO very overrated.
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Post by indianahick on Mar 1, 2007 11:31:23 GMT -5
Some where doing that 45 years ago. Maybe not to that degree but they were teaching and grading upon their opinion. Even back then it could get you failed for speaking to loudly against them. Terrorism, communism, hate of America was real then and it is more so now.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 1, 2007 14:08:33 GMT -5
Hold your ground LCB. Good luck. My daughter went thru this stuff with her professors also.
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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 1, 2007 15:45:02 GMT -5
They fear people who can fight back with facts more than anything else. Read up in the area your professor teaches; not just the materials he/she recommends---but a wide variety. Then embarass him/her. Nothing acts as a foil to b.s. like a good knowledge of history.
Anyone who thinks terrorism is not a threat is an imbecile; ditto on the the cold war not being real. They are counting on you not knowing about the Achille Lauro or Stalin burning churches, about flight 103 or Soviet gulags. When you don't know, they can feed you whatever crap they want to to fill the void.
Liberalism is the disease...facts are the cure. Read, read, read!
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Mar 1, 2007 17:06:16 GMT -5
I think I have enough knowledge of history to make him look like an ,well you know what...I just know if I call him out,he will flunk me.I can't afford that,I need to atleast make an C to pass,I'm making a B right...I laugh to myself to hear him talk,it sounds so crazy and stupid..Right now we are studing Milgrams Experiment,and obedience crap.It's a bunch of BS..Just 8 more weeks of it..
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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 1, 2007 17:13:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I suppose it's to much to ask for them to treat you fairly. They are all for freedom of speech when it comes to porno or some church hater, but not in their own classroom. Hang in there.
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Post by huxbux on Mar 1, 2007 19:07:07 GMT -5
Hang in there, bite your tongue, get through it. When you're done and you've passed the course, do all you can to expose this "teacher" for what he is - a complete and total disgrace to his profession. A true teacher would never poison the minds of his pupils with his own biased opinions. A true teacher presents differing viewpoints and lets his pupils examine, research, dissect and probe the data to come to their own conclusions. When this particular " teachers" methods are used to "teach" at your level of education it's bad enough, but at your age you have at least learned to think for yourself. What scares me the most, is the tripe they teach as fact in the grade schools to my grandchildren. These kids are told to respect their teachers and look up to them as role models, which is a good thing all in all, but it leads the children to take everything their teachers say as gospel. I have a 13 yr. old grandkid who is most certainly entirely too smart for his teachers to manipulate. I have long talks with him about the importance of questioning everything and not to believe just because his teachers say it's so. I fear it may have gotten him some unwanted attention, but hey, the kids on the honor roll, so I must be doing something to lead him along the right path. I only hope I live long enough to see him become what I know he can be, given the right tutelage. I'll stop this long-winded tirade now, because this post is on the verge of a rant. This is a very important post you've made here, one that concerns me more than anything else does these days.
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Post by tmarsh83 on Mar 1, 2007 21:14:07 GMT -5
I think I have enough knowledge of history to make him look like an ,well you know what...I just know if I call him out,he will flunk me.I can't afford that,I need to atleast make an C to pass,I'm making a B right...I laugh to myself to hear him talk,it sounds so crazy and stupid..Right now we are studing Milgrams Experiment,and obedience crap.It's a bunch of BS..Just 8 more weeks of it.. If you know the class, and you can prove you do, then if he flunks, then you go to the dean. And when you do, you start using words like lawsuit and lawyers. I HAVE BEEN HERE!!! THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT!!! ROLLING OVER DOESN"T DO ANYBODY GOOD.
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Post by nodog on Mar 1, 2007 22:34:53 GMT -5
I think I have enough knowledge of history to make him look like an ,well you know what...I just know if I call him out,he will flunk me.I can't afford that,I need to atleast make an C to pass,I'm making a B right...I laugh to myself to hear him talk,it sounds so crazy and stupid..Right now we are studing Milgrams Experiment,and obedience crap.It's a bunch of BS..Just 8 more weeks of it.. If you know the class, and you can prove you do, then if he flunks, then you go to the dean. And when you do, you start using words like lawsuit and lawyers. I HAVE BEEN HERE!!! THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT!!! ROLLING OVER DOESN"T DO ANYBODY GOOD. Sounds good, but before he does this I think you'll have to supply a lot more info. My O is your in his class and as long as he does nothing illegal, get through it, keep an open mind and try and see things from his perspective. Outside of the class, if you care to waste time and the opportunity arises, say what you like. Keep in mind you are a different person, act like it.
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Post by tmarsh83 on Mar 1, 2007 22:53:18 GMT -5
If you know the class, and you can prove you do, then if he flunks, then you go to the dean. And when you do, you start using words like lawsuit and lawyers. I HAVE BEEN HERE!!! THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT!!! ROLLING OVER DOESN"T DO ANYBODY GOOD. He can voice his own opinion. Nothing illegal with that. If his grade is adversly affected because of it. Then it is illegal. Period. Sounds good, but before he does this I think you'll have to supply a lot more info. My O is your in his class and as long as he does nothing illegal, get through it, keep an open mind and try and see things from his perspective. Outside of the class, if you care to waste time and the opportunity arises, say what you like. Keep in mind you are a different person, act like it.
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Post by tenring on Mar 2, 2007 8:04:05 GMT -5
Went through the same thing with my son many years ago. Ask his second grade teacher [at one of those parent/teacher meetings] why she was teaching my son that he lived in a Democracy instead of a Republic? Oh, it's just easier to say that! I then ask her " Wouldn't it be easier to start using the phrase "and to the Democracy for which it stands" when reciting the Pledge of Allegence?" Long pause, dumb look, no real answer. Forward to third grade, wife was getting ready to go the another get together, told her to hang in there for a minute while I get ready. Wife politely stated that the school welcomed her presence but that it was not necessary to bring your husband along.
Democracy was pounded into the immigrants heads many, many years ago by the East Coast politicians in order to get them to vote Democratic when they achieved voting status. Think about it! Democracy [Democrat], Republic [Republican]
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Post by dbd870 on Mar 2, 2007 8:07:46 GMT -5
My feelings as well. I had a lot more respect for a college degree before I had one.
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Post by 36fan on Mar 2, 2007 20:28:00 GMT -5
Why is your English Comp prof talking politics? Tell him he is in the wrong classroom.
I didn't have too much trouble w/ this type of BS while I was getting my B.S. The only issue I had was w/ an ego tripping grad student chemsitry TA . He didn't like me because I had a little fire during lab ;D Anyway, this TA gave the one person in our group a MUCH better grade than the rest of us (even though it was a group project and we turned in essentiallyt the same thing) because he would argue politics w/ him. I just kept my mouth shut since I was already on his sh!t list.
I got a science degree where they encouraged independent thought. It was actually stressed, which was a drastic change from high school where they taught the teacher was right regardless.
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Post by 36fan on Mar 2, 2007 20:32:22 GMT -5
Went through the same thing with my son many years ago. Ask his second grade teacher [at one of those parent/teacher meetings] why she was teaching my son that he lived in a Democracy instead of a Republic? Democracy was pounded into the immigrants heads many, many years ago by the East Coast politicians in order to get them to vote Democratic when they achieved voting status. Think about it! Democracy [Democrat], Republic [Republican] Did you ask her if she knew the differene? ;D I like Libertarian (liberty) and Independent (independent thought).
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Post by drgreyhound on Mar 3, 2007 14:55:17 GMT -5
I went to a liberal-dominated undergraduate university, and I am working on a doctoral degree in a liberal-dominated field, so I more than understand all the BS that those in the right-wing political minority (such as myself) put up with on a daily basis...I even had a professor in my graduate program give a lecture about "diversity" (the superficial kind that liberals love) and then at the end of the lecture say that she did not feel anyone whose politics were conservative could be a good clinical psychologist...it doesn't get more bigoted and ignorant than that, in my opinion!
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Post by drgreyhound on Mar 3, 2007 15:03:58 GMT -5
I think I have enough knowledge of history to make him look like an ,well you know what...I just know if I call him out,he will flunk me.I can't afford that,I need to atleast make an C to pass,I'm making a B right...I laugh to myself to hear him talk,it sounds so crazy and stupid..Right now we are studing Milgrams Experiment,and obedience crap.It's a bunch of BS..Just 8 more weeks of it.. Don't knock the Milgram study...it's oftentimes the most entertaining video clip you will watch in a social psychology course! I always get a kick out of the guy being fooled into thinking he's actually shocking the guy in the glass room and trying to talk the experimenter out of going on with the experiment...I think it's a close second to the Zimbardo prison experiment you will hopefully get to watch if it is an intro to psych class and that you will definitely get to watch if it is a social psych class (and your professor knows his you-know-what from a hole in the ground...which may be doubtful from what you've indicated). Nothing is more interesting than the behavior of other people! (at least to me)
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Post by drgreyhound on Mar 3, 2007 15:08:06 GMT -5
A true teacher presents differing viewpoints and lets his pupils examine, research, dissect and probe the data to come to their own conclusions. When this particular " teachers" methods are used to "teach" at your level of education it's bad enough, but at your age you have at least learned to think for yourself. You are too right! But too few teachers (especially college professors) want to see it that way because they are too threatened by the logic the other side presents to defeat their own dreamy, feel-good argument that does not reflect logic or reality...
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